[Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem
"Doug Ewell" <dewell@roadrunner.com> Tue, 03 July 2007 06:00 UTC
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Subject: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem
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Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at nic dot fr> wrote: >> 3. UTF-8 can't be read on some, espcially older, computer systems (Frank >> Ellermann, months ago, and CE Whitehead). > > So, I basically agree that UTF-8 for the registry is better but I do not > want to see bold sentences like "Anyone but Frank Ellermann can run a full > UTF-8 environment by now". This is not true. You're correct. I restated three objections to converting the Registry to UTF-8, and tried to show why they don't outweigh the advantages of converting. All three are, in fact, true: 1. UTF-8 doesn't play well with e-mail. 2. Converting will break processors that expect only ASCII. 3. Some computers can't display UTF-8. But we can work out the e-mail problem, and the breakage to processors is no worse than adding new fields (nor are there that many fully-conformant processors to be fixed). And the display problem is really not as much of a showstopper as it is being portrayed. People are saying that the hex escapes are a display problem too, and adding "Arua" and "Aruá (Arua)" to the Registry is going to confuse a LOT of people, no matter how many comments we add. -- Doug Ewell * Fullerton, California, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14 http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/ http://www1.ietf.org/html.charters/ltru-charter.html http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
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- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Solving the UTF-8 problem John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Randy Presuhn
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Randy Presuhn
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Chris Newman
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem CE Whitehead
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Kent Karlsson
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Martin Duerst
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem CE Whitehead
- [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Solving the UTF-8 problem Randy Presuhn