Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags
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This e-mail went out too late for me to participate. Please try to send notice before the close of business the day before the call. Karen Broome Addison Phillips <addison@yahoo-inc.com> 10/09/2007 08:12 PM To Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org> cc LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org> Subject Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Just FYI, tomorrow morning (9 am Pacific) call can be accessed: Dial-In #: +1.888.371.8922 International Dial-In #: +1.617.224.4792 Participant Passcode: 58371972 Addison Mark Davis wrote: > First off, I agree with Andy that the editor's contributions should be > judged on technical merit, just like everyone else's. > > As far as a conclusion goes. Any judgment of consensus at this point is > premature. We are increasing the size of the registry by a huge margin, > and considering whether to add a significant piece of architecture: it > is more important that this revision be correctly designed than that it > meet some arbitrary deadline. I think that the telecons have been > valuable for bringing out the issues, and we already planned for another > this week. As long as we are making progress with that, we should > continue. It is useful when the chairs could make that meeting: Randy's > been to one of them. Martin, is that time too difficult for you? > > Mark > > On 10/9/07, *Randy Presuhn* <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com > <mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com>> wrote: > > Hi - > > As co-chair... > > > From: "Doug Ewell" <dewell@roadrunner.com > <mailto:dewell@roadrunner.com>> > > To: "LTRU Working Group" <ltru@ietf.org <mailto:ltru@ietf.org>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:45 AM > > Subject: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags > > > > Randy Presuhn <randy underscore presuhn at mindspring dot com> wrote: > > > > >> Hard to say. I think at this moment there are more > contributors who > > >> favor (1) than (2), but the two main proponents of (2) are the > > >> co-editors of 4646bis, which does tip the balance a bit. > > > > > > No, it does not. Editors do the bidding of the WG, see RFC 2418 > > > clause 6.3. As such they are *not* given special consideration > in the > > > determination of working group consensus. > > > > But they might well be given special consideration by other list > members > > who haven't made up their minds yet. > > This would be a bad thing. RFC 2418 is abundantly clear that document > editors do not enjoy any special privileges in determining WG consensus. > Sometimes editors happen to be experts in the topic, sometimes they > are not. > But if a WG starts giving their voices more weight merely because they > happen to be editors, something is seriously wrong. > > > I would guess that with the small > > number of people solidly on one side or the other, the battle for > the > > "undecided" bloc will be important. > > Perhaps, though the undecided have little import for a determination > of rough consensus. At some point Martin and I will have to make > a determination of consensus. It's clear that none of the options > will make everyone happy. It's possible that none of the options > will make anyone happy in the long run. Since there has been so little > in the way of new information or arguments in this discussion, > I think Martin and I will just have to pick one, based on the opinions > expressed on this list so far, since few new voices seem to be joining > in to express a preference. > > Randy > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org <mailto:Ltru@ietf.org> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > > > > -- > Mark > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Chair -- W3C Internationalization Core WG Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Marion Gunn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- [Ltru] Informative (was: Extended language tags) Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended language ta… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended languag… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended languag… Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) - … Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) - … Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Debbie Garside
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Shawn Steele
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Teleconference Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Debbie Garside