RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags
Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com> Sun, 07 October 2007 07:04 UTC
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From: Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com>
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Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:03:48 -0700
Subject: RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags
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But I think Shawn's point is that the Breton/French example doesn't really tell us much of anything of interest wrt extlangs -- neither language has any macrolanguage / extlang issues involved. For Lookup, the best fallback for Dyirbal is probably English; the best fallback for Ainu is Japanese. So? Peter -----Original Message----- From: John Cowan [mailto:cowan@ccil.org] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:22 PM To: Shawn Steele Cc: ltru@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Shawn Steele scripsit: > * I don't think the Breton example applies. http-accept-lang allows for > "br-FR;fr-FR" type fallback, so that is a solution. If an application > independently wanted to make this assumption that's fine by me, but > this seems orthogonal to the problem we're trying to solve here. That works for filtering (which is what Accept-Lang does), but not so well in practice for lookup. Normally people don't specify multiple match patterns in lookup situations, they just say "I speak Breton, what's the best match you have?" -- You're a brave man! Go and break through the John Cowan lines, and remember while you're out there cowan@ccil.org risking life and limb through shot and shell, http://ccil.org/~cowan we'll be in here thinking what a sucker you are! --Rufus T. Firefly _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Marion Gunn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- [Ltru] Informative (was: Extended language tags) Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended language ta… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended languag… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative (was: Extended languag… Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Shawn Steele
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Informative Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) - … Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) - … Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Debbie Garside
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Shawn Steele
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Teleconference Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Teleconference John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Extended language tags (long reply) Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Extended language tags Debbie Garside