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Re: [Ltru] RFC4645 to Historic status

"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Thu, 31 August 2023 08:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ltru] RFC4645 to Historic status
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Hello Murray, others,

Sorry for this late mail, been on vacation.

On 2023-08-30 04:56, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 12:40 PM Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> wrote:
> 
>> I am still puzzled by all of the attention suddenly being paid to RFC
>> 4645. It is not a reference for language tagging, and never claimed to be
>> one. The document which spurred this discussion does not reference or
>> mention RFC 4645.
>>
> 
> I have the same question.  I've lost track: What are we trying to
> accomplish here?  Is it more than clarifying/adjusting an IANA page?

I don't think so.

As to clarifying/adjusting an IANA page, I agree that
https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-tags/language-tags.xhtml
might benefit from some tweaking.

I guess IANA has their own rules and preferences, but if it were me, I'd 
probably do the following:

- Change the title from "Language Tags - OBSOLETE" (which indeed may
   give the impression that Language Tags are obsolete) to "Language Tags
   Registry - OBSOLETE" (which makes clear that it's only the registry
   that is obsolete).

- Change the Note from:
   >>>>
     In "Tags for the Identification of Languages" [RFC5646][RFC3066]
     there is a provision for listing unique "tags" or names for
     languages and variants of languages.  This document summaries the
     list of assigned language tags.

     Please see the following for the Language Subtag Registry:
     [IANA registry language-subtag-registry]
   >>>>
   to something like:
   >>>>
     Language tags are now composed from language subtags according to
     [RFC5646]. Please see the following for the Language Subtag
     Registry: [IANA registry language-subtag-registry].

     This registry was in use based on [RFC3066][RFC1766], but became
     obsolete with [RFC4646].
   >>>>

I can work directly with IANA on this, unless this requires the power of 
an Area Director.

I agree that RFC 4645 can stay at informational. If it should be 
historic, it should have been historic the moment it was published.

Regards,   Martin.


> -MSK
>

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