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Re: [Ltru] Does 'de' really mean "only standard German"?

"Debbie Garside" <debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk> Tue, 27 May 2008 19:21 UTC

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Randy wrote:

> Regardless of whether we use extlangs, it's becoming clearer
> and clearer to me that we should be careful to advise
> *against* practices like using naked 'zh' for content known
> to be Mandarin, or naked 'ar' for content known to be
> standard Arabic, even when there's substantial legacy data.
> To do otherwise would lead to a practical narrowing of the
> subtags' meanings, and to dangerous analogies like "de is
> limited to standard German." That would be a very bad thing.

Quite so!

Debbie


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Presuhn
> Sent: 27 May 2008 20:03
> To: LTRU Working Group
> Subject: [Ltru] Does 'de' really mean "only standard German"?
>
> Hi -
>
> As a technical contributor...
>
> > From: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
> > To: "John Cowan" <cowan@ccil.org>
> > Cc: "Randy Presuhn" <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com>; "LTRU Working
> > Group" <ltru@ietf.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
> ...
> > (Magically, "German" means only
> > "Standard German", and "French" means "Standard French", and so on,
> > but "Arabic" doesn't mean "Standard Arabic",...)
>
> I'm very surprised by this claim.  I thought 'de' encompassed
> any variety of German that wasn't covered by some other tag
> (like gsw), just as 'fr'
> encompasses many flavors of French.  It would be only
> slightly more extreme to claim that 'en' means American
> English, simply because that variety makes up a significant
> percentage of the content tagged 'en'.
>
> Regardless of whether we use extlangs, it's becoming clearer
> and clearer to me that we should be careful to advise
> *against* practices like using naked 'zh' for content known
> to be Mandarin, or naked 'ar' for content known to be
> standard Arabic, even when there's substantial legacy data.
> To do otherwise would lead to a practical narrowing of the
> subtags' meanings, and to dangerous analogies like "de is
> limited to standard German." That would be a very bad thing.
>
> Randy
>
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