Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang
John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> Tue, 20 March 2007 20:53 UTC
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To: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
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Mark Davis scripsit: > Having arq and the other dozen or so languages on > http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=ara as primary language > tags is not a problem. The real problem is having either arb or ar-arb, > since we already have the tag "ar" which in practice means the same > thing, widely used in a great deal of software. Introducing either > arb or ar-arb essentially introduces a synonym for ar, and synonyms > just cause problems. 1) Introducing arb should not be lumped with introducing ar-arb, as a filtering (as distinct from lookup) request for ar will find content tagged ar-arb, but will not find content tagged arb. That alone is enough reason to forbid arb. 2) The argument that ar-arb and ar are in practice the same (an argument inherently limited to written, rather than recorded spoken, documents) proves too much. In practice, fr and fr-FR are the same, but nobody insists that fr-FR be forbidden, or that fr must not match fr-CA for filtering purposes. > Given the set of imperfect options, I think the best one is (a) > enhance the registry, as I suggested, and (b) either don't encode > arb, or encode and deprecate it (and do similar things for the other > macrolanguages that are in widespread use), and (c) not have extlang. Apart for the substantive objections to this procedure, it also leaves us open to a (perfectly legitimate) charge of cherry-picking. It is not up to us to decide which particular macrolanguage to handle how. [ak encompasses fat and twi; no encompasses nb and nn; sh encompasses bs, hr, and sr] I agree that these are annoyances, but I deny that they are anything more than annoyances. -- They do not preach John Cowan that their God will rouse them cowan@ccil.org A little before the nuts work loose. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan They do not teach that His Pity allows them --Rudyard Kipling, to drop their job when they damn-well choose. "The Sons of Martha" _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
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