[Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish]

Marion Gunn <mgunn@egt.ie> Tue, 19 January 2010 15:46 UTC

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Subject: [Ltru] [Fwd: Re: [TC46-L] [OLD-IRISH-L] An official language code for Primitive Irish]
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Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991)

27 Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an

Bhóthair, An Charraig Dhubh,

Co. Átha Cliath, Éire/Ireland

* mgunn@egt.ie * eamonn@egt.ie *

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As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years 
during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46 
delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if 
any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with the 
assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní 
Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37, 
which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí 
Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would 
never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering 
such a tag (rather the reverse).

Scríobh ejp10:
> Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The 
> ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the 
> older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be 
> some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted 
> because the language is so distinct from Old Irish.
> I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of 
> assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise 
> everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. :)
> Elizabeth
> On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote:
>> From: Caoimhin O Donnaile <caoimhin@SMO.UHI.AC.UK>
>> Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST
>> Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish
>> When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish /
>> Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet:
>> http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog
>> I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it 
>> seems
>> that although there are official codes for:
>>  gv   Modern Manx
>>  gd   Modern Scottish Gaelic
>>  ga   Modern Irish
>>  ghc  Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries)
>>  mga  Middle Irish
>>  sga  Old Irish
>>  xtg  Transalpine Gaulish
>>  xcg  Cisalpine Gaulish
>>  xce  Celtiberian
>> as can be seen from the lists at:
>>  http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html
>>  http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp
>> there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish.  I have been 
>> talking to
>> David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish 
>> (at the
>> middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as 
>> the
>> step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be 
>> appropriate
>> to give Primitive Irish a separate language code.  The best code we 
>> could
>> find which is still free is "pgl".  If we proceed with a request, the 
>> next
>> step would be for us to fill in the request form at:
>>  http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp
>>  http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc
>> I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any 
>> comments.
>> Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs?
>> Caoimhín
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