Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage
"Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com> Fri, 16 May 2008 19:36 UTC
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From: "Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com>
To: Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com>, LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:36:03 -0700
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Hmm... that's a good bit of text. I incorporated it and did some more editing to cut down the extraneous text, incorporate some of Mark/Peter's text, etc. and posted the result as editor copy "b" here: http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/editor/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-14b.html#macrolanguages http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/editor/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-14b.txt Comments? Addison Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Lab126 Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture. > -----Original Message----- > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Randy Presuhn > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:04 PM > To: LTRU Working Group > Subject: Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage > > Hi - > > As a technical contributor... > > > From: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org> > > To: "Doug Ewell" <doug@ewellic.org> > > Cc: "LTRU Working Group" <ltru@ietf.org> > > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage > ... > > The only thing that the text is saying is that when there is a > predominant > > language, for backwards compatibility -- AND with some careful > caveats -- > > the above is broadened. This is *not* with respect to permissibility, > but > > with respect to recommended practice. > > > > - It is *permissible* to tag Mandarin text with "und" or "zh" or > "cmn". > > - It is a *good idea* to tag/lookup with "cmn"*, except that > for > > backwards compatibility, "zh" may be better for many > implementations.* > > - It is *permissible* to tag Standard Arabic text with "und" or > "ar" or > > "arb". > > - It is a *good idea* to tag/lookup with "arb"*, except that > for > > backwards compatibility, "ar" may be better for many > implementations.* > > > > That lets people like Google, which has a very serious and important > issue > > with backwards compatibility, support the vast amount of > Mandarin/Arabic/... > > that is tagged with "zh", and continue to tag Mandarin content with > "zh". It > > also lets people like Shawn's group at Microsoft, having no backwards > > compatibility issues with "cmn" and "zh", to shift over immediately. > > > > It is also orthogonal to the recommendation for non-predominant > encompassed > > languages, where we would tag with the more specific tags: "yue", > > "yue-Hant-HK", "yue-Hant-US", "abh-AF", and so on, once they are > available. > ... > > I'd re-frame it in slightly different terms, as an example of the "tag > wisely" > principle, rather than as anything that might be understood as a > recommendation. > "For some applications, it is possible that there will be cases where > it could > be advantageous to deliberately use a tag which is imprecise. For > example, > due to the peculiar situation of written Chinese, an application with > large > quantities of legacy textual data already tagged with 'zh' might > countinue > to use this over-broad tag even for new data which would more precisely > be > tagged with 'cmn'." > > Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage [OT?] Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] my technical position on extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Kent Karlsson
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Nicolas Krebs
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Kent Karlsson
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Kent Karlsson
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli