Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang

"Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com> Thu, 29 May 2008 14:58 UTC

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From: "Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com>
To: Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com>, LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:51:20 -0700
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> One was sent after the deadline.

If this was my vote (sent yesterday prior to your message), your "revised totals" appear wrong, as I voted "A,B". If this wasn't my vote, then including my vote in the late count doesn't make the numbers wholly different.

> Either way, the support for an extlang-less approach appears to
> be in he distinct minority, and there appears to be a marked
> preference (which we'll call a *rough* consensus) for
> "reinstating" extlang.

This is not a situation in which either camp has a totally decisive argument up its sleeve. While I think this is the wrong way to go (obviously, as I supported removing extlang), some kind of decision is desirable.

As co-editor, my immediate concern is how to implement this. Assuming that we don't do a new round of voting and persuasion, I can hardly restore the text we had prior to removing extlang because some serious editing has occurred since then. We will need to decide what criteria are used to register and maintain extlangs as a result (a problem we were struggling with prior to the decision to remove extlang). What will be necessary, I think, is a stem-to-stern restore-and-edit pass with the particular notes of interest sent to the list. The resulting draft will then need to be reviewed by the list.

If there is some doubt about whether the results of this consensus call will hold, I would point out that this might be a useful exercise in any event, as we can compare this putative "draft-15" (incorporating feedback from the list, of course) to the current draft-14 more directly: we can compare each other's cherry picking machines for elegance :-).

Is this the decision, Randy and Martin? Or should we waffle along a bit longer?

Addison

Addison Phillips
Globalization Architect -- Lab126

Internationalization is not a feature.
It is an architecture.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Randy Presuhn
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:22 PM
> To: LTRU Working Group
> Subject: Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
>
> Hi -
>
> Martin and I double-checked the tally, and it turns out that
> *two* responses were sent directly to me, rather  than to the
> ltru@ietf.org mailing list.  One was sent after the deadline.
> Here's the tally including those three:
>
> Q1: A-4 B-9 C-4
> Q2: A-8 B-5 C-4
>
> Excluding those three responses, it looks like:
> Q1: A-2 B-9 C-3
> Q2: A-7  B-5 C-2
>
> Either way, the support for an extlang-less approach appears to
> be in he distinct minority, and there appears to be a marked
> preference (which we'll call a *rough* consensus) for
> "reinstating" extlang.
>
> Or have a bunch of people changed their minds?
>
> Randy
>
>
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