Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi
Addison Phillips <addison@yahoo-inc.com> Fri, 16 March 2007 23:04 UTC
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Mark Davis wrote: > Yes, and it concerns me that we are baking in a particular view of the > world by requiring that some language tags can only be used in > conjunction with others (eg pmu can only be used with lah-pmu). Now > maybe I'm missing something, can you articulate the reasons why we must > use lah-pmu (for example) instead of just pmu? > The reasons are all procedural: any ISO 639-3 code that is contained by a macro-language and is not previously encoded by ISO 639-1 or ISO 639-2 must be an extlang whose Prefix is the macro-language code. This allows us to piggyback on ISO 639-3's work in this area to create tags such as zh-cmn and avoid naked 'cmn' language tags without having, ourselves, to squint at the lists and make separate, possibly unreasonable, decisions. One possible way to avoid this would be to limit the "automatic" creation of mappings to those languages that have ISO 639-1 codes. This greatly limits the impact. The problem here is that it is arbitrary (why Aymara and not Baluchi? why Cree and not Delaware?) To respond to Doug's point, I think that we are not *forced* to delay RFC 4646bis or even 4645bis's appearance. What we need are clear rules for the incorporation of ISO 639-3 into the registry scheme. This *could* take the form of a Big Bang insertion. But it would certainly be valid to insert only the language (and not the extlang) codes initially or to include only the finalized and stable extlang codes when they are mature---on a different day. I would suggest that a mechanism for doing this would be to take each macro-language, as a collection, and vet the contents with the RA and on-list with ietf-languages before doing an insert. The Chinese and Arabic collections probably get in straight-away. Lahnda's subtags (by way of example) could wait---and no one is hurt by that delay. The only hurt is getting the mapping wrong. Worst case we have some languages that could have been extlangs that become primary language subtags instead. Addison -- Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Yahoo! Inc. Internationalization is an architecture. It is not a feature. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Don Osborn
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: [everson@evertype.com: The Language Su… Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: [everson@evertype.com: The Languag… Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Sukhjinder Sidhu
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Sarmad Hussain, Dr.
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi sukhjinder_sidhu
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi sukhjinder_sidhu
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi sukhjinder_sidhu
- Fwd: [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Punjabi Abbas Malik
- [Ltru] Re: Punjabi John Cowan
- [Ltru] extlang (was: Punjabi) Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi sukhjinder_sidhu
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] extlang (was: Punjabi) Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang GerardM
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Stephane Bortzmeyer
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Marion Gunn
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips
- VS: [Ltru] Re: extlang Erkki I. Kolehmainen
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips