[Ltru] Punjabi
"Abbas Malik" <abbas.malik@gmail.com> Fri, 16 March 2007 01:00 UTC
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From: Abbas Malik <abbas.malik@gmail.com>
To: 'LTRU Working Group' <ltru@ietf.org>, iso639-2@loc.gov, rick@unicode.org, iso639-3@sil.org, 'Nayyara Karamat' <nayyara.karamat@nu.edu.pk>, "'Sarmad Hussain, Dr.'" <sarmad.hussain@nu.edu.pk>, 'Mark Davis' <mark.davis@icu-project.org>, 'John Cowan' <cowan@ccil.org>, 'Don Osborn' <dzo@bisharat.net>, cldr-users@unicode.org
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Dear All, I personally support Mr. Sukhjinder Sidhus suggestion that we should take PA-IN (Gurmukhi) and PA-PK (Shahmukhi). These code names are being developed for Unicode and according to my best knowledge Unicode is a writing standard for worlds languages. As far as Punjabi is concerned, it is two main writing systems one is Gurmukhi (0A00 0A7F) and Shahmukhi (represented in Arabic code page). Mr. John Cowan talked about Eastern Panjabi, Western Panjabi, Mirpu Panjabi, Hindko, Seraiki, Pahari - Potwari. I have been working on the European Union funded project named PLATT (Punjabi Language and Transliteration Tool) to build a transliteration tool that can transliterate Shahmukhi into Gurmukhi and vice versa. I have been in touch with persons from Indian Punjab (Writers, Poets, Professors, etc.) and know a lot of writers, poets, professors from Pakistan as being a Pakistani. Punjabi is my mother tongue. It was a little back ground. According my best knowledge, Mirpur Panjabi and Pahari-Potwari are one and the same dialect of Panjabi. One other thing is that Seraikis and Paharis so called leaders claim that Seraiki and Pahari are different languages than that of Punjabi. I have closely worked with Pahari speaking people and I found no difference between Punjabi and Pahari. Let me quote an interesting example, one leading person (I do not want to disclose his name) who claims that Pahari is different from Punjabi. His father always calls himself Panjabi Tagga (mean bull of Punjab) and he never called Pahari Tagga. Other main point is that he always wanted me to build one version of the Punjabi transliteration tool that can convert Pahari in Gurmukhi and vice versa and I always said to him that Gurmukhi is Punjabi then why you want to have transliteration tool between Pahari and Punjabi (Gurmukhi). For Seraiki, I have a very little interaction with Seraiki people, but they also unable to give answers of my simple and straight forward questions in a straight way and always talk about the language politics (For details one can read the book Language Politics in Pakistan by Dr. Tariq Rahman, a great scholar). Spokenly, Seraiki, Jataki, Majhi, Pahari are different but when they are written they are same. All these points are my personal experience and knowledge. I could be wrong at certain points. Any way my point is that for the CLDR project, PA-GURU and PA-ARAB are two best tags to represent the Gurmukhi and Shahmukhi. If Seraiki, Pahari and Hindko are different languages even then the two tags mentioned earlier are good options for Punjabi. Best regards, --- M. G. Abbas MALIK Doctorant à l'ED MSTII, Univ. Joseph Fourier GETALP - LIG, IMAG - campus, BP53675 385, rue de la Bibliothèque 38041 Grenoble Cedex 9, France Tel: +33 (0) 4 76 51 48 17 Fax: +33 (0) 4 76 44 66 75 Mob: +33 (0) 6 74 50 46 01 Mel: Abbas.Malik at imag.fr, abbas.malik at gmail.com Url: <http://www.puran.info/> www.puran.info
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- [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Don Osborn
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: [everson@evertype.com: The Language Su… Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: [everson@evertype.com: The Languag… Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Sukhjinder Sidhu
- RE: [Ltru] Punjabi Sarmad Hussain, Dr.
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi sukhjinder_sidhu
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi sukhjinder_sidhu
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi sukhjinder_sidhu
- Fwd: [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Punjabi Abbas Malik
- [Ltru] Re: Punjabi John Cowan
- [Ltru] extlang (was: Punjabi) Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Punjabi sukhjinder_sidhu
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: Punjabi Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] extlang (was: Punjabi) Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang GerardM
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Stephane Bortzmeyer
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
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- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
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