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Re: [Ltru] Does 'de' really mean "only standard German"?

"Randy Presuhn" <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> Tue, 27 May 2008 20:34 UTC

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Hi -

As a technical contributor...

> From: "John Cowan" <cowan@ccil.org>
> To: "Randy Presuhn" <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com>
> Cc: "LTRU Working Group" <ltru@ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ltru] Does 'de' really mean "only standard German"?
...
> > I'm very surprised by this claim.  I thought 'de' encompassed any
> > variety of German that wasn't covered by some other tag (like gsw),
> 
> It does encompass national varieties as well as different orthographic
> reforms of Standard German.  But it does not cover the various other
> West Germanic languages (Mundarten), High or Low, spoken in Germany.
> 
> How do we know this?  The ISO 639-2/639-3 equivalent of 'de' is 'deu',
> and when we look at http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=deu
> (which defines 'deu'), we are pointed to encyclopedic information at
> http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=deu , which makes it
> clear that the denotation of 'de' is Standard German, the language
> spoken by almost a million people in Kazakhstan.
...

Perhaps this would be a question for ietf-languages@iana.org, but I'll ask
it here:  how then would one tag the "Stadtsprache" (city dialect) of Mannheim?
While clearly not "standard German", it seems quite a stretch to lump it
with the Pfaelzisch one might run into among the elderly in the countryside.

Randy

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