Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag
Mark Davis ☕ <mark@macchiato.com> Sun, 24 July 2011 17:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag
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We are using Zxxx for spoken-only content, and haven't had any problems with that. Mark *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —* On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:01, Broome, Karen <Karen.Broome@am.sony.com>wrote: > Hmm. Need to give this some thought and read the draft a little more > closely. > > Long ago, I thought it might be appropriate for SMPTE or a similar body to > register a singleton and use it to indicate subtitled/written or > dubbed/spoken language, but seeing this addition I'm thinking it through > again. I think the usage is likely more general than just the motion picture > industry. "Zxxx" (code for unwritten documents) is not something I'll likely > recommend any time soon for the motion picture industry. I've always opposed > that for use to describe spoken language "tracks" though I know my use cases > awhile back may have supported the creation of this tag. In most cases, it > is true that the language mode can be inferred, but this is not always the > case. > > Regards, > > Karen Broome > > -----Original Message----- > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Doug Ewell > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:52 AM > To: ltru@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag > > "Broome, Karen" <Karen dot Broome at am dot sony dot com> wrote: > > > Forgive me if I'm only able to skim these e-mails, but I'm wondering > > if there might be a parallel here with a use case like: English > > language film gets translated into Spoken Japanese (dubbed) for one > > market/format and Written Japanese (subtitles/captions/AD) for > > another. > > Testing my understanding of the proposed extension, I think both would > be "ja-t-en". The second could alternatively be "ja-Jpan-t-en", but > since 'Jpan' is the Suppress-Script for 'ja', it could normally be > omitted unless one felt it necessary to call attention to the writing > system. > > Folks who insist that spoken content needs to be tagged as such, not > inferred from the context, would probably say the first tag should be > "jp-Zxxx-t-en". > > The point is that the same Japanese content is converted along two > discrete paths; there is no indication that one is converted from the > other. The source in each case is English ("-t-en"). > > -- > Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA | RFC 5645, 4645, UTN #14 > www.ewellic.org | www.facebook.com/doug.ewell | @DougEwell > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru >
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- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Mark Davis ☕
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Mark Davis ☕
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- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Broome, Karen
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Broome, Karen
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Broome, Karen
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Mark Davis ☕
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Mark Davis ☕
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Broome, Karen
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Doug Ewell
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- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Proposed -t0- subtag Mark Davis ☕