Re: [Ltru] my technical position on extlang
"Doug Ewell" <doug@ewellic.org> Sat, 24 May 2008 18:35 UTC
Return-Path: <ltru-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: ltru-archive@megatron.ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD4C28C15C; Sat, 24 May 2008 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0ED28C157 for <ltru@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 24 May 2008 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.021
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.577, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uvob8B-V-CTS for <ltru@core3.amsl.com>; Sat, 24 May 2008 11:35:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 213EB28C15C for <ltru@ietf.org>; Sat, 24 May 2008 11:35:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 2416 invoked from network); 24 May 2008 18:35:07 -0000
Received: from unknown (71.229.245.230) by smtpauth02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.182) with ESMTP; 24 May 2008 18:35:06 -0000
Message-ID: <001f01c8bdcc$e2a8caf0$e6f5e547@DGBP7M81>
From: Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>
To: LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
References: <mailman.2658.1211631529.13675.ltru@ietf.org>
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:35:04 -0600
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198
Subject: Re: [Ltru] my technical position on extlang
X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list <ltru.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/pipermail/ltru>
List-Post: <mailto:ltru@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org
Gerard Meijssen <gerard dot meijssen at gmail dot com> wrote: > Hoi, > The current situation is that the biggest amount of content on the > Internet is not tagged. Languages that are "less and least resourced" > can not be found because standards and software both do not > acknowledge them. The problem here is the continued unavailability to the public of RFC 4646bis, due to the surreal delay that has been introduced in this second round of LTRU. We were originally supposed to go to IETF Last Call in early 2006, if I remember correctly. This isn't even about the protracted debate over extlang, which at least is fundamental to the update and mentioned prominently in the WG charter. This is about all the other changes -- enhancing validity checking, tweaking the ABNF, obsessing over "und" and "mis" and "zxx", haggling over "EU" and "UK" -- that are not mentioned in the charter at all, or are loosely alluded to but were "not expected to delay the progress of the work." It's also about drafts being published and sitting for months without substantive comment from the group. I share Gerard's concern about the inability to tag minority languages (without resorting to private-use tags). When RFC 4646bis and the new Registry are published, it will be possible to tag virtually anything, even if the representation or hierarchy or fallback isn't perfect. But I have often wondered if the word isn't "when," but "if." Please read the current drafts and send your specific comments (or your LGTM's) to the list, as well as your responses to Randy's consensus-call questions, so we can get these documents out of the WG and start IETF Last Call -- which I guarantee will not be a rubber-stamp process either. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-14.txt Alternative format available at: http://www.inter-locale.com/ID/draft-ietf-ltru-4646bis-14.html http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ltru-4645bis-05.txt Alternative formats available at: http://www.ewellic.org/rfc4645bis.html -- Doug Ewell * Arvada, Colorado, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14 http://www.ewellic.org http://www1.ietf.org/html.charters/ltru-charter.html http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages ˆ _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage [OT?] Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] my technical position on extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Kent Karlsson
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Nicolas Krebs
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Kent Karlsson
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Kent Karlsson
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage usage Leif Halvard Silli