[Ltru] Re: Numerical region subtags (RE: extlang)
"Doug Ewell" <dewell@adelphia.net> Wed, 21 March 2007 06:02 UTC
Return-path: <ltru-bounces@ietf.org>
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTtuO-0000w5-14; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:02:52 -0400
Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTtuN-0000vv-A0 for ltru@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:02:51 -0400
Received: from mta15.mail.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.77] helo=mta15.adelphia.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTtuJ-0002iA-4h for ltru@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:02:51 -0400
Received: from DGBP7M81 ([76.167.184.182]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20070321060244.MTQI2405.mta15.adelphia.net@DGBP7M81>; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:02:44 -0400
Message-ID: <014701c76b7e$8b268fc0$6401a8c0@DGBP7M81>
From: Doug Ewell <dewell@adelphia.net>
To: LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
References: <E1HTirr-0002Yp-1a@megatron.ietf.org> <010501c76b26$46ed8910$6401a8c0@DGBP7M81> <015501c76b30$c1cd7be0$456873a0$@net>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:02:43 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="utf-8"; reply-type="original"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081
Cc:
Subject: [Ltru] Re: Numerical region subtags (RE: extlang)
X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list <ltru.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/ltru>
List-Post: <mailto:ltru@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org
Don Osborn <dzo at bisharat dot net> wrote: > So the Africa numerical region subtags have not been defined/adopted > by IETF-languages, but the Latin America numerical tag "419" has? > (Hence es-419?) Not that I'm planning on it, but if there were a need > for a tag for say East African Swahili or for African French, one > would need to make the proposal to IETF-languages? Addison replied: > What Doug is saying is: the codes and what they mean are defined by > the UN, not by separate registration on the ietf-languages list. I think there are two sources of misunderstanding here; that's one of them. The other stems from the presence of the tag "es-419" in the Registry. It was registered in the late RFC 3066 era when we knew the numeric region subtags were going to be available shortly. We had previously argued over a tag for "Latin American Spanish" and it became clear that we could register "es-419" almost for free -- it would meet the immediate need without adding another grandfathered tag (or variant subtag) to the mix. The ietf-languages group no longer registers whole tags, but rather subtags. At the same time, all of the UN numeric code elements that represent macro-geographical areas -- all of them -- are available using the generative model. So the presence of the redundant tag "es-419" in the Registry is a historical curiosity only; it is no more or less legitimate than "sw-014" or "fr-002", the two tags Don asked about. You can use those tags today if you like. My list of six numeric subtags dealing with Africa was copied from the Registry, not from the UN list. There are a few UN M.49 code elements that have not been carried over as region subtags, the ones that represent economic groupings. An example is 199, "Least developed countries." This group includes countries as diverse (geographically and linguistically) as Cape Verde, Bangladesh, and Vanuatu; such groupings would be pointless in language tags. (By comparison, Don has shown clearly what others have disputed, that there is a demand for macro-geographical subtags and that they can have meaning.) -- Doug Ewell * Fullerton, California, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14 http://users.adelphia.net/~dewell/ http://www1.ietf.org/html.charters/ltru-charter.html http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Re: IANA, UTF-8 and the Language Subtag Re… Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: IANA, UTF-8 and the Language Subtag Re… Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Gerard Meijssen
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: IANA, UTF-8 and the Language Subta… David Conrad
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: IANA, UTF-8 and the Language Subta… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- [Ltru] Numerical region subtags (RE: extlang) Don Osborn
- Re: [Ltru] Numerical region subtags (RE: extlang) Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Re: Numerical region subtags (RE: extlang) Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] RE: Numerical region subtags (RE: extlang) Don Osborn
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] extlang Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] extlang Randy Presuhn
- [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] extlang Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Marion Gunn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Marion Gunn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Marion Gunn
- [Ltru] Use of the string "microlangauges" Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Marion Gunn
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang GerardM
- [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- RE: [Ltru] Re: extlang Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: extlang Marion Gunn
- [Ltru] Availability of ISO documents (Was: extlang Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Ltru] Availability of ISO documents (Was: ex… John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: Availability of ISO documents (Was: ex… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [Ltru] Re: Availability of ISO documents (Was: ex… Marion Gunn