[Ltru] [A little OT] Feedback and Communication was (Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami language )
"Debbie Garside" <debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk> Wed, 28 May 2008 22:08 UTC
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Subject: [Ltru] [A little OT] Feedback and Communication was (Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami language )
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Hi Don On the question of adaption of technologies in relation to language tagging I believe this is possibly the right forum depending on how much the RFC can assist - although certainly not the only one. On the question of feedback on particular tags and whether there is a requirement for new subtags IETF-languages is the correct forum - generally after the ISO 639 process has been pursued and failed. That said, very often good discussion is (rightly) stopped on both LTRU and IETF-Languages as being out of scope or off topic. So, I do see what you are trying to say and I would agree that, perhaps, there is a need for another forum that can communicate feedback on the various efforts. Not sure who would or should have 'ownership' of that forum. I think it would prove very interesting. I think it could also prove useful for standardization efforts when applying for new, or changes to, ISO 639 codes if feedback/actual use case scenarios from a user community is presented in support of such an application. If you want to establish such a forum I would certainly join. Best wishes Debbie PS We/you could do it as part of our remit within WLDC > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Osborn [mailto:dzo@bisharat.net] > Sent: 28 May 2008 22:00 > To: 'Doug Ewell'; 'LTRU Working Group'; debbie@ictmarketing.co.uk > Cc: 'A12n tech support' > Subject: RE: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami language > situatation as example > > In a strict sense I think Debbie and Doug are right. However > in the context of our ultimate goal of making the technology > work for language(s) we're talking about one element in a > system - and there needs to be some way(s) to assure feedback > among parts of that larger system. Put another way, there > seems to be a risk of important information falling in the > gaps if related efforts focus uniquely on their respective > tasks and there is no attention to connections. > > I had a not dissimilar discussion regarding the locales > process (in the PanAfrican Localisation Network project's > subproject on locales that I mentioned previously). Some > colleagues expressed the thought that they didn't want to get > tied up with ISO 639 issues. However dealing with locales, > which like tagging depend on ISO 639, provides an excellent > opportunity to get feedback on the coding system (with > potential benefits in turn for more work on locales). > Ultimately we agreed that there will be attention to this issue. > > For both locales and tagging, I agree there are more focused > goals and deliverables that are essential, and I wouldn't > want to encumber either. However, given our ultimate purpose > of facilitating the adaptation of the technology to the > realities of language(s), shouldn't there be a way of > assuring feedback and communication among the various efforts? > > Don > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf > > Of Doug Ewell > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:53 PM > > To: LTRU Working Group > > Subject: Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami language > > situatation as example > > > > Debbie Garside <debbie at ictmarketing dot co dot uk> wrote: > > > > > Where we need to draw the line is when the discussion > comes into the > > > realm of re-designing ISO 639 or making language classification > > > decisions. This is absolutely beyond the scope of this WG and > > > should be directed to ISO TC37/SC2/WG1 or the ISO 639 > JAC. As this > > > RFC is way over the timescale originally envisaged for > completion it > > > is in everyone's interest to try to resolve the issues that are > > > within > > scope > > > rather than focussing on issues that cannot be resolved > other than > > > by external parties. But this is just my humble opinion in the > > > light of trying to get the important issues, such as extlang/no > > > extlang resolved, the ultimate call is with the co-chairs. > > > > Also my opinion. Specifically, remaking ISO 639-3 wouldn't > be in our > > scope even if we weren't more than 15 months behind > schedule (*) but > > given that we are, it is especially important to focus on > getting the > > chartered work done. > > > > (*) I was wrong earlier when I implied the we were over two years > > behind. I still think the original charter had us > finishing our work > > in early 2006, but actual publication was always contingent on the > > rollout of ISO 639-3. Their first "official" downloadable > files came > > in February 2007. So we're "only" 15.n months behind, except that > > somehow I don't feel like IETF LC is right around the corner. > > > > -- > > Doug Ewell * Arvada, Colorado, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14 > > http://www.ewellic.org > > http://www1.ietf.org/html.charters/ltru-charter.html > > http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages ^ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ltru mailing list > > Ltru@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Don Osborn
- [Ltru] [A little OT] Feedback and Communication w… Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Peter Constable
- [Ltru] ar and other Macrolanguages (was: Re: Macr… Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] ar and other Macrolanguages (was: Re: … Andrew Cunningham
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Macrolanguage, Extlang. The Sami langu… Peter Constable