Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang

"Broome, Karen" <Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com> Thu, 22 May 2008 23:02 UTC

Return-Path: <ltru-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: ltru-archive@megatron.ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietfarch-ltru-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677213A6AFD; Thu, 22 May 2008 16:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
X-Original-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ltru@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E8E3A6AFD for <ltru@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 22 May 2008 16:02:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2P-jKVVwGGL4 for <ltru@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 22 May 2008 16:02:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from outbound6-wa4-R.bigfish.com (outbound-wa4.frontbridge.com [216.32.181.16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113E83A6968 for <ltru@ietf.org>; Thu, 22 May 2008 16:02:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from outbound6-wa4.bigfish.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by outbound6-wa4-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6943186A579; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:02:00 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail34-wa4-R.bigfish.com (unknown [10.8.14.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound6-wa4.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF3516806B; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:02:00 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail34-wa4 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail34-wa4-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945156B0763; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:02:00 +0000 (UTC)
X-BigFish: V
X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Antispam-Report: OrigIP: 160.33.98.75;Service: EHS
Received: by mail34-wa4 (MessageSwitch) id 1211497320553799_23336; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:02:00 +0000 (UCT)
Received: from mail8.fw-bc.sony.com (mail8.fw-bc.sony.com [160.33.98.75]) by mail34-wa4.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589571898074; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:02:00 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com (mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com [43.130.1.111]) by mail8.fw-bc.sony.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4MN1x7N015296; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:01:59 GMT
Received: from ussdixhub22.spe.sony.com ([43.130.141.77]) by mail1.sgo.in.sel.sony.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m4MN1xFP015755; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:01:59 GMT
Received: from USSDIXMSG20.spe.sony.com ([43.130.141.74]) by ussdixhub22.spe.sony.com ([43.130.141.77]) with mapi; Thu, 22 May 2008 16:01:59 -0700
From: "Broome, Karen" <Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com>
To: Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>, Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com>, LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:01:57 -0700
Thread-Topic: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
Thread-Index: Aci8MXRDuQ9FXuo9Qx2T9oUICs3B/AAJXxqwAAAxxWAAAMcUYAAAiaBwAACUx7A=
Message-ID: <E19FDBD7A3A7F04788F00E90915BD36C13C251B147@USSDIXMSG20.spe.sony.com>
References: <01c301c8bbe5$8c2810c0$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <30b660a20805221029k13cdb18asf31bcb6f9fc491a1@mail.gmail.com> <DDB6DE6E9D27DD478AE6D1BBBB83579562E2683F73@NA-EXMSG-C117.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <C9BF0238EED3634BA1866AEF14C7A9E56157008C2B@NA-EXMSG-C116.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <DDB6DE6E9D27DD478AE6D1BBBB83579562E2683FA7@NA-EXMSG-C117.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <C9BF0238EED3634BA1866AEF14C7A9E56157008C4B@NA-EXMSG-C116.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
In-Reply-To: <C9BF0238EED3634BA1866AEF14C7A9E56157008C4B@NA-EXMSG-C116.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
acceptlanguage: en-US
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
X-BeenThere: ltru@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list <ltru.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/pipermail/ltru>
List-Post: <mailto:ltru@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru>, <mailto:ltru-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Sender: ltru-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: ltru-bounces@ietf.org

Either way, zh-yue will remain valid, but not necessarily preferred. Having clear preferences is very important to me. I really don't want to recommend that people use "zh" for Mandarin or have to explain to someone why I think a deprecated tag is preferred in this industry but not others.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>Of Shawn Steele
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:42 PM
>To: Peter Constable; LTRU Working Group
>Subject: Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
>
>Q1: B
>
>Q2: B (very mild bias toward A, if that would help other groups.
>This is a change from my previously strong opinion)
>
>I agree with Peter:  in particular I don’t want other groups and
>standards to feel disenfranchised with either solution, particularly
>if that would cause them to adopt a different system.  If it helps
>those groups to accept a non-extlang path, I would also want to
>ensure that Chinese zh-yue, etc. remain a legitimate alias for yue.
>
>- Shawn
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>Of Peter Constable
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:30 PM
>To: LTRU Working Group
>Subject: Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
>
>Q1: B
>
>Q2: B
>I lean slightly on the C side of this question, but am very
>concerned that the AV media sector buys into the same tagging scheme
>as everyone else; if it would help to that end, I’d want it to be
>clear that grandfathered tags “zh-yue” etc. always remain fully
>legitimate.
>
>
>Peter
>_______________________________________________
>Ltru mailing list
>Ltru@ietf.org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
>_______________________________________________
>Ltru mailing list
>Ltru@ietf.org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
_______________________________________________
Ltru mailing list
Ltru@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru