RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis"
"Kent Karlsson" <kent.karlsson14@comhem.se> Sun, 17 June 2007 18:40 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:40:20 +0200
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Martin Dürst wrote: > I'm a bit confused here. We want to try to give absoulte stability > guarantees. But then we recommend 'und' (wrong to start with, because > we know what language it is, so calling it undetermined is lying) > or a private tag (inherently unstable and non-interoperable). > Why don't we just accept that 'mis' is unstable (no disagreement > here, of course), but instead of saying "invalid at any point without > any warning -- and hence incompatible with the stability goals of BCP 47", > warn the receiver that 'mis' may refer to a language that in the meantime > has been coded, and change our language, e.g. 'invalid' -> 'suboptimal'. That was the *very thing* that was changed by the recent change to 'mis'. (And there was a real change!) What used to be 'suboptimal' is now 'invalid' w.r.t. the use of 'mis'. 'mis' used to be interpretable in a stable way, but that is no longer possible given the change. (Which is why I've been arguing against this change all along.) /kent k _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] Fw: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] Fw: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Karen_Broome
- [Ltru] Re: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Addison Phillips
- [Ltru] Re: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Re: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- [Ltru] RE: RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Peter Constable
- [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" GerardM
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Addison Phillips
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Karen_Broome
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Kent Karlsson
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Debbie Garside
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Jukka K. Korpela
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Karen_Broome
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Re: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Doug Ewell
- [Ltru] Re: Fw: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Frank Ellermann
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Martin Duerst
- RE: [Ltru] RE: ISO 639-2 decision: "mis" Kent Karlsson
- [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decision: … Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decision: … Frank Ellermann
- [Ltru] Fwd: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decision:… Mark Davis
- [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decision: … Peter Constable
- [Ltru] Re: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decision: … Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decisi… Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decisi… John Cowan
- [Ltru] Re: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decision: … Frank Ellermann
- Re: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decisi… Mark Davis
- Fwd: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decis… Mark Davis
- RE: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decisi… Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decisi… Peter Constable
- RE: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decisi… Martin Duerst
- [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decision: … Debbie Garside
- Re: (iso639.2732) RE: [Ltru] RE: RE: ISO 639-2 de… Keld Jørn Simonsen
- Re: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decisi… Mark Davis
- [Ltru] Cross-posting Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] RE: (iso639.2708) RE: ISO 639-2 decisi… Martin Duerst