Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang

"Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org> Thu, 22 May 2008 23:09 UTC

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From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
To: "Broome, Karen" <Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
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I haven't looked at the exact language around this that we have already, but
I think we should clearly state (if we don't already) that for any cases
where we have such equivalences, implementations SHOULD treat them as the
same on input. (They may do this by internally converting one way or the
other, but that's not our business.)

Mark

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Broome, Karen <Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com>
wrote:

> Either way, zh-yue will remain valid, but not necessarily preferred. Having
> clear preferences is very important to me. I really don't want to recommend
> that people use "zh" for Mandarin or have to explain to someone why I think
> a deprecated tag is preferred in this industry but not others.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> >Of Shawn Steele
> >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:42 PM
> >To: Peter Constable; LTRU Working Group
> >Subject: Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
> >
> >Q1: B
> >
> >Q2: B (very mild bias toward A, if that would help other groups.
> >This is a change from my previously strong opinion)
> >
> >I agree with Peter:  in particular I don't want other groups and
> >standards to feel disenfranchised with either solution, particularly
> >if that would cause them to adopt a different system.  If it helps
> >those groups to accept a non-extlang path, I would also want to
> >ensure that Chinese zh-yue, etc. remain a legitimate alias for yue.
> >
> >- Shawn
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> >Of Peter Constable
> >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:30 PM
> >To: LTRU Working Group
> >Subject: Re: [Ltru] Consensus call: extlang
> >
> >Q1: B
> >
> >Q2: B
> >I lean slightly on the C side of this question, but am very
> >concerned that the AV media sector buys into the same tagging scheme
> >as everyone else; if it would help to that end, I'd want it to be
> >clear that grandfathered tags "zh-yue" etc. always remain fully
> >legitimate.
> >
> >
> >Peter
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