Re: [manet-dlep-rg] Mandatory processing TLVs by routers

"Stan Ratliff (sratliff)" <sratliff@cisco.com> Mon, 11 November 2013 17:44 UTC

Return-Path: <sratliff@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: manet-dlep-rg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: manet-dlep-rg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C479F21E81DD for <manet-dlep-rg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:44:31 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -10.568
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eel9RF5A7vEu for <manet-dlep-rg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:44:25 -0800 (PST)
Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F36A21E821C for <manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org>; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:44:16 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1555; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1384191856; x=1385401456; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=E4ZcW0ZdMgXmiy12wwc3kH7R7z0lOKwyWe12Bv60YDw=; b=Jls7CGGhPFOnXkFjwOUQ27LMAdIHGbrl2DOZ95yh43k6P0yaZAnMKv9v yx+Dbk8FOnhAUFJpR6L1FIU1WSRyPrkwezP63k3QzbQ3NF4VD4gt9Fw40 xpArZDCT4gSXiOPQbxHjGw0fkR4khHg0KISxjRt2PVrPHHbD3/T8LIauK k=;
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcFAPcWgVKtJXHA/2dsb2JhbABZgweBC78XgT0WdIIlAQEBAwF5BQsCAQhGMiUCBA4Fh3sGvkiOLoEGMweDIIEQA5gPkgqDJoFxOQ
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,679,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="239939149"
Received: from rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com ([173.37.113.192]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2013 17:44:14 +0000
Received: from xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com [173.37.183.79]) by rcdn-core2-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rABHgxqm005319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:44:14 GMT
Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.200]) by xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com ([173.37.183.79]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:44:04 -0600
From: "Stan Ratliff (sratliff)" <sratliff@cisco.com>
To: Teco Boot <teco@inf-net.nl>
Thread-Topic: Mandatory processing TLVs by routers
Thread-Index: AQHO3vclyNdzGtn/5E6Jiv8vLrik7JogseAA
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:44:04 +0000
Message-ID: <349D2FB7-896C-47AD-9815-9131FEBBCB45@cisco.com>
References: <72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F307D9192F7@EXC-MBX03.tsn.tno.nl> <CAK=bVC85XAXR3Zkwq+JwELF-dvgrKwbowWCvwvnjeVn7VStnbw@mail.gmail.com> <72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F307D9193CD@EXC-MBX03.tsn.tno.nl> <5A8A5085482DA84995F4E70F5093AB50268E6C@XCH-BLV-503.nw.nos.boeing.com> <B2BA430A-F4E6-4DED-A7BB-7282A22802B7@inf-net.nl> <D02397F1-9D1B-4B36-81D0-4585ACDBA34A@gmail.com> <5D184300-2D97-4EC1-8D91-76D4A79B2BDA@inf-net.nl> <DDAE98C5-520E-4F8F-9F9B-2AB9A15A70EF@cisco.com> <F5164D41-0C8F-4E23-B2F8-F7CE4843131C@inf-net.nl>
In-Reply-To: <F5164D41-0C8F-4E23-B2F8-F7CE4843131C@inf-net.nl>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [64.102.41.107]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Content-ID: <EF0D24AFBDC280468145F53D8AA9617C@emea.cisco.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
Cc: "DLEP Research Group (manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org)" <manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [manet-dlep-rg] Mandatory processing TLVs by routers
X-BeenThere: manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: DLEP Radio Group <manet-dlep-rg.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/manet-dlep-rg>, <mailto:manet-dlep-rg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet-dlep-rg>
List-Post: <mailto:manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:manet-dlep-rg-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet-dlep-rg>, <mailto:manet-dlep-rg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:44:31 -0000

On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Teco Boot <teco@inf-net.nl> wrote:

> Was Re: [manet-dlep-rg] notes DLEP meeting @ IETF88
> 
> I'll split of threads, unless one prefer mail storms without clear subjects.
> 
> Op 11 nov. 2013, om 01:55 heeft Stan Ratliff (sratliff) <sratliff@cisco.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> Item 1 and 2 seem contradictory to me. Metric values are reported via TLVs. If a given metric TLV is MANDATORY, then the router MUST process it (at least, the router MUST NOT generate an error because it exists).
> 
> This is about:
> 
>>>>>> 1. There are no metric TLVs it is MANDATORY for the Router to process.
>>>>>> 2. The modem MUST report MDRT, MDRR, CDRT, and CDRR in the Peer Discovery message, and make a best effort to accurately report these metrics subsequently.
> 
> Item 2 is the first one to read, then item 1 follows. Routers may ignore all TLVs, and for example only use Neighbor Up and Neighbor Down.


Oh, well…. naturally. When looking at an enumerated list, I *SHOULD HAVE* had the general sense to read the second item first…. silly me.

On another topic, to say that I disagree with "… Routers may ignore all TLVs…" would be an understatement. That's why TLVs are classified as MANDATORY or OPTIONAL. Routers (or modems, for that matter) are free to ignore OPTIONAL TLVs. But to mandate that something exist in a message, but then say "but you can ignore it"? Doesn't make any sense to me. 

Stan
 

> 
> Teco
> 
>