Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up?
Teco Boot <teco@inf-net.nl> Thu, 06 March 2014 09:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up?
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My opinion on MAC NAT hack or Dup MAC address: nice but ugly. Breaks 802.1D even more. Let’s not standardize it. Ronald fixed 802.11D for MadWiFi in Ad Hoc, 4-addr mode. Others use encap with another MAC header. Both are much cleaner. Or I miss something. Teco Op 5 mrt. 2014, om 22:02 heeft Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: > One option to allow DLEP with adhoc wifi might be to configure the > local MAC address of the routers interface towards the DLEP radio with > the same mac address as the local radio. > > This way you can send them over the wifi link without having to do a > nasty MAC-NAT style thing. > > It would be a help to be able to reconfigure the MAC on the router > BEFORE I have to open the TCP session. > > It might work reconfiguring it afterwards (will trigger new ARP/ICMPv6 > requests I think). > > Henning > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Stan Ratliff (sratliff) > <sratliff@cisco.com> wrote: >> What would that MAC address be used for? I don't understand. >> >> Stan >> >> On Mar 5, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I wonder if we could allow a MAC address data TLV in the multicast >>> discovery peer offer. >>> >>> It would solve a lot of headaches with DLEP Wifi radios in Adhoc mode. >>> >>> Henning >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Stan Ratliff (sratliff) >>> <sratliff@cisco.com> wrote: >>>> Henning, >>>> >>>> That's true. The data items would be in the "Peer Offer" response to the >>>> Multicasted Discovery. Those data items (IP address and Port) will have to >>>> move to the discovery message. Also, any a-priori configuration will need to >>>> be implemented in the router instead of the modem, but that's really an >>>> "implementation detail". >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Stan >>>> On Mar 5, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just looked it up, we have no data items in the UDP discovery broadcast at >>>> all at the moment. >>>> >>>> Henning >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2014 5:36 PM, "Rick Taylor" <rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you all very much for a very productive meeting this afternoon. I >>>>> include a write up of my notes, please correct me if I have missed anything >>>>> pertinent. >>>>> >>>>> Stan has committed to updating the session initiation description to place >>>>> the TCP server in the modem, so the initial part of the protocol is: Modem >>>>> broadcasts UDP Hello packets containing version, ident and TCP address/port. >>>>> Router TCP connects, session initiation occurs via the new TCP connection. >>>>> >>>>> Credit windowing will stay in the document, but will be clearly marked as >>>>> an optional part of the protocol. There was some concern raised over the >>>>> clarity of the current text which will need to be address before last call. >>>>> >>>>> Vendor extensions will be defined using a new Data Item, containing a OUI >>>>> (or something from an existing registry) and space for a payload. There >>>>> will need to be some guidance verbiage to characterise what is a valid >>>>> vendor extension and what is not. >>>>> >>>>> There was clarification of what both ends of a DLEP session must do on >>>>> reciept of an unrecognized signal and data item. For a data item, the >>>>> receiver MUST ignore the data item, for a signal the recipient MUST send an >>>>> error status signal and terminate the TCP connection. >>>>> >>>>> There will be no facility in DLEP v1 for vendor extended signals. Any >>>>> extra signals will require an uplift of the verion of the protocol and >>>>> require a new draft. >>>>> >>>>> There will be no such thing as a Peer Characteristic Request. This will >>>>> prevent abuse and misuse of the DLEP protocol to act as a configuration >>>>> mechanism. >>>>> >>>>> There was further discussion concerning multiple QoS flows with seperate >>>>> metrics across a single link. This was agreed to be pushed out to another >>>>> draft after DLEP v1, after some analysis that the proposed approach >>>>> (heirachial data items) will not break existing DLEP v1 implementations. >>>>> Stan agreed to double check that the text specified 16bit length values for >>>>> all TLVs (data and signals). >>>>> >>>>> There was discussion about enumerating error codes, and potential error >>>>> text. The status signal MUST include an error code, 0 being success, others >>>>> to be enumerated after close analysis of the protocol, plus and optional >>>>> free text field to carry loggable information, capped at 80 bytes, utf8 >>>>> encoded. >>>>> >>>>> There was discussion of confidence values for metrics, and this was >>>>> rejected as a core DLEP mechanism, and the suggestion was to use an >>>>> extension data item TLV instead. >>>>> >>>>> In light of achieveing their goal of listing the outstanding points that >>>>> needed to be reolved before DLEP can make progress to WG last-call, and >>>>> actually achieving suitable consensus to resolve the outstanding issues to >>>>> the satisafaction of one of the authors present, the DT decided to not apply >>>>> for a continuation of their charter, and to instead announce "Mission >>>>> Complete" >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Rick Taylor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> manet-dlep-rg mailing list >>>>> manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet-dlep-rg >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> manet-dlep-rg mailing list >>>> manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet-dlep-rg >>>> >>>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > manet-dlep-rg mailing list > manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet-dlep-rg
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Rick Taylor
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Joseph Macker
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Teco Boot
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Taylor, Rick
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario John Dowdell
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Henning Rogge
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)