Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up?
Teco Boot <teco@inf-net.nl> Thu, 06 March 2014 09:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up?
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So we should throw away our PS radio’s? Teco Op 5 mrt. 2014, om 22:11 heeft Stan Ratliff (sratliff) <sratliff@cisco.com> het volgende geschreven: > OK, this is IMO, but… > > That is pretty much a one-off, for a research or lab-type effort. As a professor of mine in college used to say, "No one in their right mind will ever use 802.11 adhoc for anything more than a development/research platform". I just don't see bending the protocol to put this in for no more use than we'll get out of it. > > After all, nothing stops you from inserting an extra TLV into your own implementation. > > Regards, > Stan > > On Mar 5, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> wrote: > >> One option to allow DLEP with adhoc wifi might be to configure the >> local MAC address of the routers interface towards the DLEP radio with >> the same mac address as the local radio. >> >> This way you can send them over the wifi link without having to do a >> nasty MAC-NAT style thing. >> >> It would be a help to be able to reconfigure the MAC on the router >> BEFORE I have to open the TCP session. >> >> It might work reconfiguring it afterwards (will trigger new ARP/ICMPv6 >> requests I think). >> >> Henning >> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Stan Ratliff (sratliff) >> <sratliff@cisco.com> wrote: >>> What would that MAC address be used for? I don't understand. >>> >>> Stan >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if we could allow a MAC address data TLV in the multicast >>>> discovery peer offer. >>>> >>>> It would solve a lot of headaches with DLEP Wifi radios in Adhoc mode. >>>> >>>> Henning >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Stan Ratliff (sratliff) >>>> <sratliff@cisco.com> wrote: >>>>> Henning, >>>>> >>>>> That's true. The data items would be in the "Peer Offer" response to the >>>>> Multicasted Discovery. Those data items (IP address and Port) will have to >>>>> move to the discovery message. Also, any a-priori configuration will need to >>>>> be implemented in the router instead of the modem, but that's really an >>>>> "implementation detail". >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Stan >>>>> On Mar 5, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just looked it up, we have no data items in the UDP discovery broadcast at >>>>> all at the moment. >>>>> >>>>> Henning >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 5, 2014 5:36 PM, "Rick Taylor" <rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you all very much for a very productive meeting this afternoon. I >>>>>> include a write up of my notes, please correct me if I have missed anything >>>>>> pertinent. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stan has committed to updating the session initiation description to place >>>>>> the TCP server in the modem, so the initial part of the protocol is: Modem >>>>>> broadcasts UDP Hello packets containing version, ident and TCP address/port. >>>>>> Router TCP connects, session initiation occurs via the new TCP connection. >>>>>> >>>>>> Credit windowing will stay in the document, but will be clearly marked as >>>>>> an optional part of the protocol. There was some concern raised over the >>>>>> clarity of the current text which will need to be address before last call. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vendor extensions will be defined using a new Data Item, containing a OUI >>>>>> (or something from an existing registry) and space for a payload. There >>>>>> will need to be some guidance verbiage to characterise what is a valid >>>>>> vendor extension and what is not. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was clarification of what both ends of a DLEP session must do on >>>>>> reciept of an unrecognized signal and data item. For a data item, the >>>>>> receiver MUST ignore the data item, for a signal the recipient MUST send an >>>>>> error status signal and terminate the TCP connection. >>>>>> >>>>>> There will be no facility in DLEP v1 for vendor extended signals. Any >>>>>> extra signals will require an uplift of the verion of the protocol and >>>>>> require a new draft. >>>>>> >>>>>> There will be no such thing as a Peer Characteristic Request. This will >>>>>> prevent abuse and misuse of the DLEP protocol to act as a configuration >>>>>> mechanism. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was further discussion concerning multiple QoS flows with seperate >>>>>> metrics across a single link. This was agreed to be pushed out to another >>>>>> draft after DLEP v1, after some analysis that the proposed approach >>>>>> (heirachial data items) will not break existing DLEP v1 implementations. >>>>>> Stan agreed to double check that the text specified 16bit length values for >>>>>> all TLVs (data and signals). >>>>>> >>>>>> There was discussion about enumerating error codes, and potential error >>>>>> text. The status signal MUST include an error code, 0 being success, others >>>>>> to be enumerated after close analysis of the protocol, plus and optional >>>>>> free text field to carry loggable information, capped at 80 bytes, utf8 >>>>>> encoded. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was discussion of confidence values for metrics, and this was >>>>>> rejected as a core DLEP mechanism, and the suggestion was to use an >>>>>> extension data item TLV instead. >>>>>> >>>>>> In light of achieveing their goal of listing the outstanding points that >>>>>> needed to be reolved before DLEP can make progress to WG last-call, and >>>>>> actually achieving suitable consensus to resolve the outstanding issues to >>>>>> the satisafaction of one of the authors present, the DT decided to not apply >>>>>> for a continuation of their charter, and to instead announce "Mission >>>>>> Complete" >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Taylor >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> manet-dlep-rg mailing list >>>>>> manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet-dlep-rg >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> manet-dlep-rg mailing list >>>>> manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet-dlep-rg >>>>> >>>>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > manet-dlep-rg mailing list > manet-dlep-rg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/manet-dlep-rg
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Rick Taylor
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Joseph Macker
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Rick Taylor
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Joe Macker
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Joe Macker
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Taylor, Rick
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Taylor, Rick
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario John Dowdell
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Joe Macker
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Henning Rogge
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] 802.11 Adhoc scenario Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)
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- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Teco Boot
- Re: [manet-dlep-rg] London meet up? Stan Ratliff (sratliff)