Re: [manet] MANET Charter Review

Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> Fri, 13 October 2023 11:11 UTC

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From: Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:11:22 +0200
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Subject: Re: [manet] MANET Charter Review
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:49 PM Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> We had a lightly attended MANET Interim to discuss the current Charter, updates including the addition of Babel, and some other items.
> This is a three week call for feedback on these items or any new items.  A list is in the minutes. Please review them.
> Please use the MANET list for any replies.
>
> If you suggest or support an item, please indicate whether you would be able to contribute to that work – author or coauthor a draft.
>
> Items that have no indication of people to work on them will not be added to the charter.

> Babel Domain talk to an OLSR domain.
Does this mean beyond import/export of route-prefixes?

Funny thing, if we consider a hierarchy of (manet) routing protocols,
we could use DLEP for this kind of exchange... The "lower level MANET
protocol" could just pretend to be an IP routing radio and use DLEP
with Link-ID extension to communicate its metric and reachable
prefixes to the "upper level MANET protocol".

> DLEP Maintenance - No Brainer Keep
:)

I have a couple of additional things I want to introduce to the WG
when my current drafts (hopefully) will be adopted.

> Hybrid (proactive /reactive) Routing protocol
MANET WG failed at "reactive routing" because of non-technical
issues... I don't think Hybrid protocols would do much better. I still
remember the Chameleon disaster.

> Multicast
Not sure it is worth the effort... unless we have lots of spare
capacity, IP-multicast is often a bad solution for group
communication.

Henning Rogge