[manet] DLEP with wireline links ?

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Mon, 08 March 2021 13:51 UTC

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Subject: [manet] DLEP with wireline links ?
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Sory for asking a random question on a list i don't currently contribute to,
but Rick Taylors  presenation about DLEP in RAW reminded me to ask this:

Has DLEP in the past year ever managed to proliverate into wireline L2 modems/interfaces ?

I was always annoyed by the absence of a good 3 evice to modem signaling
protocol on wireline and always thought DLEP was likely the most
pragmatic approach, but i have never seen that it did proliferate.

Use-case example:
 - (VAX)DSL learning of training rates for the L3 device to be able to
   set up appropriate QoS, ingres shaper etc to support better than BE QoS.

 - Similarily, CPE equipment on FTTH signaling their contractual
   limits to the router (typically you have less then the nominal speed of 1 Gbps)
   (today you can only effectively set up contract aware QoS when the router
    is run by the SP and uses TR69 provisioning - AFAIK).

 - Level of Loss/FEC for example for proactive failover (when this is not all
   integrated into the non-modular MIC on the router.

 - Nominal Link latency, technology/variation - e.g.: If a link is copper
   on a pole instead of fiber in th ground, latency variation of links can be
   up to 10% due to temperature changes (if i remember correctly examplee calculation),
   that would be very good to know for any control/management plane building an 
   e.g.: detnet solution on top of such links.