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"Stevens, Jim A Collins" <James.A.Stevens@collins.com> Fri, 13 October 2023 19:57 UTC

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:11:22 +0200, Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com<mailto:hrogge@gmail.com>> wrote:



| > Hybrid (proactive /reactive) Routing protocol

| MANET WG failed at "reactive routing" because of non-technical issues... I don't think Hybrid protocols would do much better. I still remember the

| Chameleon disaster.



Henning - What was the Chameleon disaster?



Jim Stevens

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