[manet] Re: Call for Presentations
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From: "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net>, "manet@ietf.org" <manet@ietf.org>
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Thanks for this guidance and perspective, Don. To start the discussion, who here remembers about the IETF autoconf working group and what they were trying to accomplish? That group had high aspirations about Internetworking for MANETs, but following the publication of RFC5889 the group decided to shut down and declare success. But, RFC5889 was far from a definitive spec on MANET Internetworking and at best provides only a framework sketch. Some of us who were involved in the autoconf studies kept moving the work forward even though the community itself had dried up. It took many years of work to bring these specs to a suitable level of maturity, but I can now offer the AERO/OMNI solution for MANET Internetworking: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-aero3/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-omni3/ We are specifically looking at applying AERO/OMNI to 5G MANET Internetworking for nodes that occasionally or even frequently operate outside the context of operator network infrastructure. We are beginning to publish IEEE documents about this through a university research study program we have in place with Virginia Tech. It is strange to see that there is so little other work going on in this area in the modern era when there was so much in prior years. Either MANET is dead, or it is in need of a spark to wake it back up again. I hope it is the latter, and I hope this message thread might provide a such a spark. Thank you for your thoughts, Fred Templin From: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2024 2:15 PM To: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>; manet@ietf.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Call for Presentations EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments. We are trying to figure out our charter going forward. There has not been much activity at all since the group has slowly recovered from loss of some key personal. Chairs alone do not set the charter - it is work group participants. Since you have drafts already you are welcome to propose that you could talk about the drafts on the MANET list and see what interest you get. It is a small group so any interested is probably a good indication. Thanks Don From: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2024 5:09 PM To: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net<mailto:dfedyk@labn.net>>; manet@ietf.org<mailto:manet@ietf.org> Subject: RE: Call for Presentations Thanks Don; I have two very mature drafts that tell unambiguously how to operate MANETs that have intermittent or continuous connectivity to the Internet. Do people in this group want to hear about those, or is there simply no interest in MANET Internetworking? Thank you - Fred From: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net<mailto:dfedyk@labn.net>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2024 2:04 PM To: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>; manet@ietf.org<mailto:manet@ietf.org> Subject: RE: Call for Presentations Hi Fred This sounds like a topic that would be good to start a discussion on the list or write a draft and follow up presentation to the group. Thanks, Don From: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2024 4:50 PM To: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net<mailto:dfedyk@labn.net>>; manet@ietf.org<mailto:manet@ietf.org> Subject: RE: Call for Presentations Don, I would offer a presentation but this community seems to have somehow forgotten about Internetworking considerations for MANETs. Operation of MANETs in isolation is a good study and has requirements on the routing protocols and an obvious interaction with DLEP; but the means for connecting MANETs up to the global Internet and/or private Internetworks somehow does not seem to be capturing anyone’s interest. This seems strange to me because this is an *Internet* Engineering Task Force (IETF) group – not an isolated network group. Have we collectively somehow forgotten that? Thank you - Fred From: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net<mailto:dfedyk@labn.net>> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2024 1:39 PM To: manet@ietf.org<mailto:manet@ietf.org> Subject: [manet] Call for Presentations Hi We have requested a 1-hour MANET slot in Dublin . If you would like to present, please send mail to the manet@ietf.org<mailto:manet@ietf.org> list or to manet-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:manet-chairs@ietf.org>. Thanks Don, Ronald, Donald
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- [manet] Re: Call for Presentations Don Fedyk
- [manet] Re: Call for Presentations Templin (US), Fred L
- [manet] Re: Call for Presentations Abdussalam Baryun
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- [manet] Re: Call for Presentations Don Fedyk
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- [manet] Re: Call for Presentations Abdussalam Baryun
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