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[manet] Re: Questions about RFC 8175 (DLEP) Link Characteristics Request message

Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Tue, 17 March 2026 07:22 UTC

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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 09:22:37 +0200
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Hi

On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 4:46 PM Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am working on a new DLEP draft that will be mostly useful in
> requesting changes of the radio by the router, similar to the Link
> Characteristic Request message type (RFC 8175, Section 12.18).
>

this is interesting for dlep-manet applications.


>
> The issue we see is that the request we are talking about is for the
> whole channel, not a special Destination.
>

whole channel for the manet route


> RFC 8175 Section 12.18 defines that the referred destination of the
> Link Characteristics Request message can be both real (e.g. remote MAC
> address) or logical (e.g. multicast group).
>
> Would it be valid to use the "broadcast MAC" to request something for
> the whole network or do we need a "Channel/Device Characteristic
> Request/Response" message?


 I don't think we can use broadcast MAC for DLEP, so it will need different
protocol.

best regards,
AB

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