Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down --- Re: [Add] Slowing the list traffic down a bit: listening more and saying less

Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net> Thu, 29 August 2019 14:57 UTC

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From: Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down --- Re: [Add] Slowing the list traffic down a bit: listening more and saying less
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Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> writes:

> The meta point is : let’s not presume that the mechanisms we currently
> use are inherently good ones just because we’re accustomed to them.

We certainly agree here: we can't think outside the box if we're
unwilling to discard the box.

> Formalism isn’t the worst problem with PowerPoint.  The worst problem
> with powers is that it often kills discussion - it encourages people
> to think that their role is to be a passive audience rather than
> active participants.

I actually think the biggest problem with power point is that it gives
too much power to the speaker.  In an organization that strives to
produce documents from many voices, it always seems like the speaker
with the slides gets the final vote.

> It’s supposed to be a discussion, not a performance.

Some people do a good job at presenting a problem in slides, and then
starting a follow on discussion that typically works (IE, the point of
the slides is to *end* and then the discussion starts).

-- 
Wes Hardaker
USC/ISI