Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down --- Re: [Add] Slowing the list traffic down a bit: listening more and saying less
Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net> Thu, 29 August 2019 14:57 UTC
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From: Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down --- Re: [Add] Slowing the list traffic down a bit: listening more and saying less
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Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> writes: > The meta point is : let’s not presume that the mechanisms we currently > use are inherently good ones just because we’re accustomed to them. We certainly agree here: we can't think outside the box if we're unwilling to discard the box. > Formalism isn’t the worst problem with PowerPoint. The worst problem > with powers is that it often kills discussion - it encourages people > to think that their role is to be a passive audience rather than > active participants. I actually think the biggest problem with power point is that it gives too much power to the speaker. In an organization that strives to produce documents from many voices, it always seems like the speaker with the slides gets the final vote. > It’s supposed to be a discussion, not a performance. Some people do a good job at presenting a problem in slides, and then starting a follow on discussion that typically works (IE, the point of the slides is to *end* and then the discussion starts). -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI
- [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down --- … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down Keith Moore
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down Melinda Shore
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down Mike Bishop
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down Keith Moore
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down … Wes Hardaker
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down … Keith Moore
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down … Wes Hardaker
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down … Keith Moore
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down … Wes Hardaker
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down … Keith Moore
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down … Olli Vanhoja
- Re: [Manycouches] ways to slow list traffic down … Wes Hardaker