Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local time)
Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sun, 18 October 2020 01:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local time)
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On 2020-10-18, at 02:23, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote: > > > please take followups to manycouches@ only. (This doesn’t work, so I won’t try.) > On 2020-10-17, at 02:23, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote to wgchairs: >> It appears that session are scheduled starting at 05:00 UTC, which would be >> 12:00(noon) Bangkok time. It's really as if this meeting was being >> held in Madrid. > > Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote: >> Could you expound a bit on why you think widening the block of time in >> which sessions occur would be helpful? IIRC we have survey results showing >> that in a virtual format even the 7.5-hour window is too long to be >> practical, and having a longer window is going to push more of the session >> timeslots into times that are quite painful for more participant timezones. >> My understanding was that the idea of having a consolidated virtual IETF >> was to enable the cross-polination that occurs at in-person IETF meetings >> where most participants are attending sessions in most of the timeslots. > > First, I would like to know why we can do 9hr long days in person, while we > can't even manage 7.5 hour virtual days. It is called Zoom fatigue. It is very real. A lot of thinking went into the new schedule, and the 2+0.5+1+0.5+2 structure sounds rather brilliant to me given the IETF108 experience. > I think that this needs to be > unpacked a lot more in the survey. > > Second, that doesn't explain why we are starting at the times we starting. This has not been divulged, but it is just a repeat of IETF 108, with adjustments for the too short slots and too short breaks. > I don't think it helps people in any of the time zones. (It sure helps the Europeans.) > (Starting earlier would probably be kinder to Pacific coast types. > We start at 9pm Pacific now, end at 3am. > If we started at "10am" local", then we'd end at 1am, which is just a late > night for them. Yes. (BTW, it is 03:00 CEST right now here. Whether that time is a problem for a participant depends a lot on their personal habits.) > I expect to flip my time zone: it's the full 12 hour flip for me. > Starting later doesn't help me much. > {Given my investment of ~36hours to do this, I'd kinda like to maximimze my > investment.} > > The current schedule has only 30 minute breaks. > This isn't enough for people where it's "day" to eat and still do any kind of > cross-polination. I expect to have some kind of screen breakfast/early lunch. > For people for whom it's middle of the night, … and for everyone else… > I guess we'll have to bring box > lunches to our desks. Yes. > The bigger point is that 30 minutes is not enough to: > 1) finish 3 minutes late > 2) go to the washroom > 3) connect to gather.town to chat with someone > 4) eat/drink while this occurs Eat during session then. (Don’t forget to mute :-) > 5) arrive 3 minutes early for the next session > > I'm glad that there are 7 tracks rather than 8, though. (I’m not sure what you are referring to here. There are slots with 5, 6, 7, and 8 rooms.) Grüße, Carsten
- [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local time) Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Tim Chown
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Cj Aronson
- Re: [Manycouches] IETF109 starts at noon (local t… Fred Baker
- [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on how… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Martin Duke
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Jay Daley
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Martin Duke
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Martin Duke
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] many-fine-dinners --- a view on… Michael Richardson