Re: [Manycouches] DOGFOOD Virtual BoF

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 20:41, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
wrote:

> I think we have to start somewhere, so starting with some base case -
> say just email - makes more sense than trying every tool right off the bat.
>

trying "every other tool" for say X months is starting somewhere and will
enable us to pick the most effective tool with the confidence of experience.

>
> shared editor that can keep track of
> what's been concluded.

this looks like a good requirement.

> but even then we need to have some discipline for
> what to put where.   Also, if we use multiple tools without some kind of
> integration between them I don't think we'll find that collection of
> tools very useful.

tech integration between multiple tools is a good requirement at a future
state. in the beginning and for a small number of people, that discipline
can be provided with a imple process that we all agree to follow.

>    Sometimes even when sticking to one tool - say
> slack - I find that the information that emerges from the discussion is
> so scattered that it's nearly unusable.
>

i use slack extensively at work, we define clearly what needs to
conversations that happen in slack

- if it's a key decision, someone gets an action item to make an entry into
the team's "Decision Log"  (a wiki page)
- if it's a set of tasks that need to be done, someone gets an action item
to create those as tasks in a project management system (JIRA) with a due
date and assignee

most "tool problems" are really just a lack of discipline in following a
pre-agreed upon process.

>
> I also am loathe to use third-party tools that track my activity, and
> would not want to see IETF adopt such tools.  So, for instance, google
> anything is (IMO) not appropriate.
>

that's fair and we can use that as a requirement for evaluating different
tools: "does not track user activity"

>
> We should decide what kind of tools we need rather than insisting on
> shoehorning our activity into existing tools.   And I'm not aware of an
> existing tool that would do the job well.
>

thank you. this is the thinking behind my suggestion. if we are trying to
do something different, it _may_ not be possible to use existing tools,
thinking and processes.

>
> On 4/17/19 11:11 AM, Mukom Akong T. wrote:
> > I think we ought to question even the tools and not assume that the
> > current tools as we have now are the best ones for the new approach we
> > want to try.
> > If there's some more effective tool out there, let's find it and try
> > it. It's better to settle on current tools with the secure knowledge
> > that we've tried the alternatives.
> >
>
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