Re: [Marnew] RFC 6077

Blake Matheny <bmatheny@fb.com> Thu, 24 September 2015 12:39 UTC

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From: Blake Matheny <bmatheny@fb.com>
To: "Smith, Kevin, (R&D) Vodafone Group" <Kevin.Smith@vodafone.com>, "Scharf, Michael (Michael)" <michael.scharf@alcatel-lucent.com>, "marnew@iab.org" <marnew@iab.org>
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I’ve asked a couple of vendors for congestion hints in a variety of ways. So far, no luck :) I would really like to see this as well.




On 9/24/15, 7:34 AM, "Marnew on behalf of Smith, Kevin, (R&D) Vodafone Group" <marnew-bounces@iab.org on behalf of Kevin.Smith@vodafone.com> wrote:

>Hi Michael,
>Thanks for reminding me - Bob Briscoe also recommended 6077, especially when considering the impact of providing congestion hints (namely in the Mobile Throughput Guidance draft). Certainly we need to make sure that such efforts do not merely shift the bottleneck to cause problems elsewhere. So as you say we can review those challenges - if not in detail at the workshop then on the mailing list.
>All best
>Kevin
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>"Scharf, Michael (Michael)" <michael.scharf@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
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>On the MarNew page, I see some ideas related to network-support/network-assisted congestion control. The IRTF has written some time ago RFC 6077, and it could be useful to review the challenges in Section 3.1 therein. Of course, parts of that RFC may be outdated.
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>Michael (co-author of RFC 6077)
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