Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Public GRUUs
Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> Sun, 29 August 2010 22:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Public GRUUs
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+1 On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote: > > I agree with Andrew on this point > > The key issue in my mind is deployability. With a single registrar, > deployment of GRUUs is a fairly tractable problem: once the registrar > supports GRUUs, then clients can start making use of them. When we start > having more entities involved in the mix -- like the dual-registrar > situation that MARTINI was chartered to address -- then the chances of > deployment decrease multiplicatively. > > In other words, unless GRUU is mandated in GIN (or any solution to the > MARTINI problem, for that matter), the chances of GRUU deployment are > vanishingly small, in a way that doesn't exist in a single-registrar system. > Because the MARTINI architecture *caused* this problem, I believe that it is > incumbent on us to *fix* this problem. > > As public GRUU is really quite easy to implement, I don't imagine that this > requirement should be particularly controversial. > > /a > > On 8/29/10 09:28, Aug 29, Andrew Allen wrote: > > I certainly agree with the compromise we worked out in Masstricht. As I > stated during the meeting GRUU is basically a bug fix for SIP and without it > originally intended basic SIP capabilities either break, have negative side > effects or have significant limitations on other capabilities in order to > make them work. > > Public GRUU is not complex to implement and with temporary GRUU the > compromise gives enough wiggle room to allow other alternatives that provide > anonymity to be used provided they don't break the use of Public GRUUs. > > The privacy text is not so much about implementing privacy as to ensure that > deployments don't break GRUU capabilities in order to achieve privacy. > > Especially in enterprise deployments (which is the major MARTINI use case) > endpoints will likely not have public IP addresses (or will have SBCs that > modify them). So the need for GRUU support here is even more essential than > "generic internet SIP". > > So I agree that SSPs supporting MARTINI MUST implement support for providing > public GRUUs. > > Andrew > > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 03:44 PM > To: martini@ietf.org <martini@ietf.org> > Subject: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Public GRUUs > > At the IETF 78 MARTINI WG meeting, during the discussion of Ticket 57 > (relating to temporary GRUUs), a suggestion was made that public GRUUs be > mandatory to implement for SSPs. > > We will now attempt to determine whether consensus exists within the MARTINI > WG to make this change to the document. > > Please respond to this email and post your opinion as to whether you agree > that SSPs supporting MARTINI MUST implement support for public GRUUs. > > This consensus call will last until September 12, 2010. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential > information, privileged material (including material protected by the > solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public > information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, > please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your > system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this > transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. > > _______________________________________________ > martini mailing list > martini@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/martini > > > _______________________________________________ > martini mailing list > martini@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/martini > >
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Brian Lindsay
- [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Public … Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Andrew Allen
- [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticket #57 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Mary Barnes
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Brian Lindsay
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Andrew Allen
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… bruno.chatras
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Adam Roach
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Elwell, John
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Richard Shockey
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [martini] Call for Consensus: Support for Pub… Alan Johnston
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Dean Willis
- Re: [martini] Consensus call: Resolution of Ticke… Christer Holmberg