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Re: [Masque] MASQUE and Tor "pluggable transports"

"Martin Thomson" <mt@lowentropy.net> Thu, 08 August 2019 01:27 UTC

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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2019 11:27:44 +1000
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
To: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Masque] MASQUE and Tor "pluggable transports"
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, at 11:13, David Schinazi wrote:
> Sorry what I meant was "That would require changing how current 
> implementations of QUIC authenticate" - today most folks are 
> implementing QUICv1 which has quic-transport and quic-tls. We'd need 
> implementations of a separate new QUIC version that uses a different 
> authentication scheme.

Still not following you there.  Why would that stack not work in this instance?

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