Re: [Masque] FW: New Version Notification for draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00.txt

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To: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>, Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [Masque] FW: New Version Notification for draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00.txt
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Here are some more related to wpd for http:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chow-httpbis-proxy-discovery-00

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-web-proxy-desc-01



From: Masque <masque-bounces@ietf.org>; On Behalf Of Lucas Pardue
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 12:16 PM
To: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>;
Cc: quic@ietf.org; Zaheduzzaman Sarker <zaheduzzaman.sarker@ericsson.com>;; masque@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Masque] FW: New Version Notification for draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00.txt

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I'm not an expert in either WPAD [1] or PAC [2], but I am an expert in feeling their pain as a user on Windows. Part of their pain comes from lack of formal standardization, resulting in some word-of-mouth approaches to problem solving, especially how they work (or don't) with the standardised approaches such as DHCP.

In looking this up, I did discover draft-ietf-wrec-wpad-01, a > 20 I-D for WPAD [3], wow!

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Proxy_Auto-Discovery_Protocol<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Proxy_Auto-Discovery_Protocol__;!0rLxnc5oh4s!jPosQt26EajScgUupoiCIMKOtu1eu9R0tg2CEkMXNq8Cx56sCmkL7PmI9PN7gcAGxA$>
[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config__;!0rLxnc5oh4s!jPosQt26EajScgUupoiCIMKOtu1eu9R0tg2CEkMXNq8Cx56sCmkL7PmI9POhddlmBA$>
[3] - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-wrec-wpad-01<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-wrec-wpad-01__;!0rLxnc5oh4s!jPosQt26EajScgUupoiCIMKOtu1eu9R0tg2CEkMXNq8Cx56sCmkL7PmI9POJiXk9oA$>

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 5:09 PM Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com<mailto:mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>> wrote:
Hi Lucas,

no, we didn’t consider this yet but only because we were not really aware of that. Do you have a pointer? Or send a PR 😊

https://github.com/mirjak/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/mirjak/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery__;!0rLxnc5oh4s!jPosQt26EajScgUupoiCIMKOtu1eu9R0tg2CEkMXNq8Cx56sCmkL7PmI9PMVg31Abw$>

Mirja


From: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com<mailto:lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, 4. November 2019 at 18:06
To: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com<mailto:mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson..com>>
Cc: "quic@ietf.org<mailto:quic@ietf.org>" <quic@ietf.org<mailto:quic@ietf.org>>, "masque@ietf.org<mailto:masque@ietf.org>" <masque@ietf.org<mailto:masque@ietf.org>>, Zaheduzzaman Sarker <zaheduzzaman.sarker@ericsson.com<mailto:zaheduzzaman.sarker@ericsson.com>>
Subject: Re: [Masque] FW: New Version Notification for draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00.txt

Thanks for sharing this.

I wonder if you considered WPAD (Web Proxy Autodiscovery) or PAC (Proxy auto-config)? Although targetted at the application layer, it might help to comment on how those forms of discovery would relate to the methods outlined in your draft.

Cheers,
Lucas

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
Hi all,

we submitted a new draft that lists discovery mechanisms for QUIC-based proxies (see below). This is one piece of work that is needed for most of the use cases in draft-kuehlewind-quic-substrate.

Let me know if you have any questions or comments!

Mirja


On 04.11.19, 17:53, "internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>" <internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>> wrote:


    A new version of I-D, draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00.txt
    has been successfully submitted by Mirja Kuehlewind and posted to the
    IETF repository.

    Name:               draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery
    Revision:   00
    Title:              Discovery Mechanism for QUIC-based, Non-transparent Proxy Services
    Document date:      2019-11-04
    Group:              Individual Submission
    Pages:              11
    URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00.txt<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00.txt__;!0rLxnc5oh4s!jPosQt26EajScgUupoiCIMKOtu1eu9R0tg2CEkMXNq8Cx56sCmkL7PmI9PP6fOtFfw$>
    Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery/__;!0rLxnc5oh4s!jPosQt26EajScgUupoiCIMKOtu1eu9R0tg2CEkMXNq8Cx56sCmkL7PmI9PNirJBnKQ$>
    Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery-00__;!0rLxnc5oh4s!jPosQt26EajScgUupoiCIMKOtu1eu9R0tg2CEkMXNq8Cx56sCmkL7PmI9PNt2ljWVQ$>
    Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-kuehlewind-quic-proxy-discovery__;!0rLxnc5oh4s!jPosQt26EajScgUupoiCIMKOtu1eu9R0tg2CEkMXNq8Cx56sCmkL7PmI9PNLkowwPw$>


    Abstract:
       Often an intermediate instance (such as a proxy server) is used to
       connect to a web server or a communicating peer if a direct end-to-
       end IP connectivity is not possible or the proxy can provide a
       support service like, e.g., address anonymisation.  To use a non-
       transparent proxy a client explicitly connects to it and requests
       forwarding to the final target server.  The client either knows the
       proxy address as preconfigured in the application or can dynamically
       learn about available proxy services.  This document describes
       different discovery mechanisms for non-transparent proxies that are
       either located in the local network, e.g. home or enterprise network,
       in the access network, or somewhere else on the Internet usually
       close to the target server or even in the same network as the target
       server.

       This document assumes that the non-transparent proxy server is
       connected via QUIC and discusses potential discovery mechanisms for
       such a QUIC-based, non-transparent proxy.




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    The IETF Secretariat



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