Re: [Masque] MASQUE detection through tracking trackers

Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Tue, 05 November 2019 21:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Masque] MASQUE detection through tracking trackers
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Peace,

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 8:15 PM Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>; wrote:

> The box you've described is fundamentally a traffic analysis tool.  From
> the business perspective, it's likely a subscription service
>

I skipped that before, yet I think I have to say this: in the today's
world, every DPI middlebox (worth ordering by whoever willing to make any
profit on top of that) has this subscription service.  As has been rightly
pointed out in this thread before, this is now an arms race, and we should
expect the device to be updated on a weekly basis at least, and every maybe
other hour at worst, or even worse.

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Töma

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