Re: [Masque] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-masque-connect-udp-14: (with COMMENT)

Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 16 June 2022 23:24 UTC

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From: Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:23:31 -0700
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To: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Masque] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-masque-connect-udp-14: (with COMMENT)
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Oh, very nice.  Thanks!

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<https://github.com/ietf-wg-masque/draft-ietf-masque-connect-udp/pull/179#pullrequestreview-1009839524>
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:41 PM David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Erik, thanks for your comments.
> Responses inline.
> David
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:06 PM Erik Kline via Datatracker <
> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> ### S3.5
>>
>> * Should the 2xx discussion here include additional reference to the
>> extended
>>   commentary in masque-h3-datagram#section-3.2?
>>
>
> Agreed, I've replaced that text with a reference in this commit:
>
> https://github.com/ietf-wg-masque/draft-ietf-masque-connect-udp/commit/8020b2dc88fd51bc3c10b172bbb85e82a3eda403
>
> ### S7
>>
>> * I *really* wish there could be more said about tunnel security.  I was
>>   tempted to try to formulate some DISCUSS on the matter, but I cannot
>>   seem to see where any more extensive text was ever written for the
>> CONNECT
>>   method.
>>
>>   Nevertheless, there are plenty of concerns that could be mentioned, like
>>   what should a proxy do if the target_host is one if its own IP
>> addresses,
>>   or a link-local address, and so on.
>>
>>   I'm not entirely convinced that it suffices to claim that because the
>>   tunnel is not an IP-in-IP tunnel certain considerations don't apply.
>>   Anything and everything can be tunneled over UDP, especially if RFC 8086
>>   GRE-in-UDP is what the payloads carry (or ESP, of course).  It seems
>> like
>>   most of the points raised in RFC 6169 apply; perhaps worth a mention.
>>
>>   But as I said, I think all these concerns apply equally to CONNECT (in
>>   principle, anyway), and the text here is commensurate with the text for
>>   its TCP cousin (that I could find, anyway).
>>
>
> I absolutely agree. I added guidance in the following PR:
> https://github.com/ietf-wg-masque/draft-ietf-masque-connect-udp/pull/179
> Could you please take a look and let me know what you think?
>
>
>