Re: [MBONED] MBONE Deployment (mboned) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-21

Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> Thu, 26 March 2020 20:41 UTC

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From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:40:53 -0700
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Subject: Re: [MBONED] MBONE Deployment (mboned) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-21
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:

> > In MBONED, we've adopted work to bring multicast to the browser, which
> > will help with app layer support.  We have deprecated the use of
> > interdomain ASM to mandate SSM and eliminate most of the complexity of
> > deploying multicast.  We'd love more folks to deploy AMT relays.
>
> So can you right now give us a URL, where we can paste into our browser to
> see some content?
>
> This is not a technology problem. This is a lack of product problem.
>

..or a reasonable assumption of a workable timeframe. 'Adopted' in the WG
as you know is early in the process. Fortunately the effort behind all or
this has come from Jake Holland at Akamai, and he has been developing the
solution components, and demonstrating code at IETF Hack-a-thon for more
than a year now.

Start here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/slides-106-mboned-multicast-to-the-browser-00.pdf

Cheers,
Shep


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