Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP
"Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com> Tue, 05 September 2017 21:46 UTC
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From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com>
To: Leonard Giuliano <lenny@juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP
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-----Original Message----- From: MBONED [mailto:mboned-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Giuliano > Tweaking RFC4610 to match the microscopic (and generally irrelevant) > benefits MSDP might have will just create yet another overly complex > mcast protocol to address the corner cases of a handful of ill-conceived > network deployments. And have the same result- no one deploys it bc of > all this unnecessary complexity. +1. There should be, and apparently there is, no need for a special-purpose, multicast-only, source discovery mechanism. I'm not as hard over as many others seem to be, on "SSM only." Because as multicast is actually implemented, usefully implemented, it is in individual networks, such as enterprise networks or internal platform networks, in which ASM is often the best choice. For instance, when one needs redundancy of sources. I should also point out that multicast is seen, by the security establishment, as a potential security threat. Therefore, inter-domain multicast is not encouraged. Quite the contrary, it is blocked be default. I'm also informed, second hand I'll admit, that ISPs and CDNs do not much favor multicast, for their own technical and economic reasons. I suppose one reason might be the proliferation of streaming media protocols these days, specific to different devices, which defeats the purpose of multicast. Maybe multicast will remain a niche solution, very useful where it's required, but also deliberately limited in scope. Which is okay, in my book. Bert
- [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Dale W. Carder
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Hitoshi Asaeda
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Dino Farinacci
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Rob Evans
- [MBONED] (*,G) to (S,G) translation (Re: deprecat… Hitoshi Asaeda
- Re: [MBONED] (*,G) to (S,G) translation (Re: depr… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Tim Chown
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP John Kristoff
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Tim Chown
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP John Kristoff
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Dino Farinacci
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Manfredi, Albert E
- [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (RE: d… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Stig Venaas
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Stig Venaas
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP zhang.zheng
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deprecating MSDP Leonard Giuliano
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Stig Venaas
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Holland, Jake
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Greg Shepherd
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Morten V. Pedersen
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Holland, Jake
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [MBONED] deploying internet-wide multicast (R… Mikael Abrahamsson