Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types
Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Tue, 05 January 2021 13:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types
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> On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 7:03 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote: > > My understanding has always been that the registration template is a > > transient artefact, and is not required to be published. Why is there a > > need for this? > > > IANA approached me to point out these various templates for key media types > are absent from the registry. I took their request to be identifying a > problem that needed to be fixed, but maybe I misunderstood their intent. > I'll get clarification. IANA is mistaken in their understanding of what's formally required for registration of a media type. There is no, repeat NO, requirement that there be a template. Templates are a convenient way of gathering and structuring registration information, nothing more. If you disagree feel free to point out the text that says a template is required in RFC 6838. The fact that IANA currently only accepts registrations in template form - either via a web form or a template in an IETF document - is a processing choice, one they are entitled to make. (It is also one that a fair number of people find to be a significant PITA, but that's another matter.) What IANA is not allowed to do is impose requirements retroactively on media types that were registered without templates - indeed, we're talking here about media types that were registered before the template even existed. In case you haven't guessed by now, I have a really big problem with retroactive imposition of requirements. Just as one exmaple amony many, are we now going to review all the media types that don't have fragment identifier sections and demand the people who registered them before that section even existed figure out what to put there? I don't think so. I will again point out that there are lots of real problems with the media type registry - the obvious one being that there are many many many unregistered types in wide use. If you want to do something that's actually, you know, productive, there's plenty of work to do there. Finally, as for the types registered in the MIME documents, since those documents are soon to be revised, and that revision will necessarily mean adding templates for the types they contain in order to meet current IANA requirements, which will in turn obsolete any work done to create templates for those types, what's being proposed here is not only unnecessary, but a waste of time. Ned
- [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Chris Lilley
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Eric Prud'hommeaux
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Mark Nottingham
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Ned Freed
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Eric Prud'hommeaux
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Chris Lilley
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Ned Freed
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Petter Reinholdtsen
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [media-types] Templates for basic MIME types Ned Freed