Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> append
Victor Paulsamy <vpaulsamy@ditechnetworks.com> Sat, 09 October 2010 00:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> append
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2010/10/8 Lorenzo Miniero <lorenzo@meetecho.com> > I agree with Stephane, appending to a media file is not like appending > text and so a "brutal" POST might result in a corrupted file. > > Are you anticipating corruption or have you encountered it? In my testing, during the last 8-months or so, append works like a charm -- even under load; I'm yet to run into recorded media corruption. We download files only for playback. Recorded media are transferred to remote (HTTP or NFS) storage, in chunks of about 40-ms audio, without storing it onboard (append is heavily used.) However, I'm not against leaving the append mechanism to implementers. --victor That said, I think append is a very useful functionality and would like > to keep it: why not clarify that the mechanism used for appending is > implementation specific? I doubt the same recorded media will be used > by different MS implementations at the same time. > > L. > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:25:33 -0700 > Stéphane Bastien <stephane@broadsoft.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > We use extensively the append attribute. We implemented this behavior: > > > > 1. append=false: Use HTTP PUT to overwrite the content of the URL after > the recording is completed. > > > > 2. append=true: > > a) Perform an HTTP GET on the URL > > b) Record new audio/video > > c) Append the new audio/video to the media file that was downloaded > in step a) > > d) Perform an HTTP PUT to overwrite the old URL with the new media > file. > > > > Note that our implementation also matches the behavior expected for a > media file stored on the local filesystem and accessed using the URI > file://. > > > > I do not agree with the proposal to enforce the usage of HTTP POST if > append=true; because it makes the assumption that the remote HTTP server can > append audio/video to an existing media file. The Media Server already knows > how to handle audio tracks and video tracks, duplicating this functionality > in the remote HTTP server seems counterproductive. > > > > Stephane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mediactrl-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mediactrl-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of McGlashan, Scott > > Sent: 7 octobre 2010 14:11 > > To: mediactrl@ietf.org > > Cc: Melnikov Alexey; mediactrl-chairs@tools.ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mediactrl-ivr-control-package@tools.ietf.org > > Subject: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> append > > > > Fourth (and final I think) issue for mailing list discussion following > IESG review of the IVR package: > > > > In 4.3.1.4: > > > > append: indicates whether recorded data is appended or not to a > > recording location if a resource already exists. A valid value is > > a boolean (see Section 4.6.1). A value of true indicates that > > recorded data is appended to the existing resource at a recording > > location. A value of false indicates that recorded data is to > > overwrite the existing resource. The attribute is optional. The > > default value is false. > > > > How is append/overwrite mapped to underlying protocol being used? > > In particular, I think this is underspecified in case of HTTP. > > > > This is a good point and we don't say anything about how to map record > upload to the underlying protocol. Since we mandated HTTP (and HTTPS), I'd > prefer if we specify a mapping to HTTP. I'd propose something like: > > > > When a recording location is specified using the HTTP or HTTPS protocol, > the recording operation is mapped to the HTTP POST and PUT operations > depending on whether the append attribute is true or false: > > > > 1. append = false. The recording data is uploaded to the specified > location using HTTP PUT and replaces any data that location on the origin > server. Success if the origin server returns 201 (Created); any other HTTP > response is treated as an upload error. > > > > > > 2. append = true. The recording data is uploaded to the specified > location using HTTP POST and is added to the resource - if any - at that > location. Success if the origin server returns 204 (No Content) or 205 > (Reset Content); any other HTTP response is treated as an upload error. > > > > Let me know if you think this is along the right lines - any improvements > (or other implementation experiences) welcome. The other alternative is to > delete the append attribute - especially if no-one implements it .. If we > do decide to delete the append attribute, I still think some text around the > HTTP protocol mapping is useful. > > > > Thanks > > > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > > MEDIACTRL mailing list > > MEDIACTRL@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mediactrl > > Supplemental Web Site: > > http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/mediactrl > > _______________________________________________ > > MEDIACTRL mailing list > > MEDIACTRL@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mediactrl > > Supplemental Web Site: > > http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/mediactrl > > > -- > Lorenzo Miniero > Meetecho s.r.l. > http://www.meetecho.com > _______________________________________________ > MEDIACTRL mailing list > MEDIACTRL@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mediactrl > Supplemental Web Site: > http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/mediactrl >
- [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> appe… McGlashan, Scott
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Stéphane Bastien
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Victor Paulsamy
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Victor Paulsamy
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Lorenzo Miniero
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Stéphane Bastien
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Eric Burger
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Steve Liao
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Eric Burger
- Re: [MEDIACTRL] ISSUE 4 - IVR Package - <record> … Steve Liao