Re: [MEDIACTRL] Language Tags for Error Comments (was ... error in examples in section 4.2.3)

Lorenzo Miniero <lorenzo@meetecho.com> Tue, 20 July 2010 05:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [MEDIACTRL] Language Tags for Error Comments (was ... error in examples in section 4.2.3)
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I agree as well.

L.


On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:37:24 -0700
Stéphane Bastien <stephane@broadsoft.com> wrote:

> Agreed. I believe the text will be used by system operators and developers to track down problems.
> 
> Le 2010-07-19 à 17:14, Eric Burger a écrit :
> 
> > Speaking as myself, users will not ever see this text, so it can be opaque and without language tags.  However, we need INPUT from the WG to close this.
> > 
> > On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Eric Burger wrote:
> > 
> >> An AD wants to know: Will users ever see this text?  If we call it opaque, anyone mind if we do specify a language tag anyway?  My guess is no one will ever specify a tag with the string, but it does mean that MEDIACTRL clients should not barf is someday a server does specify a language tag.
> >> 
> >> Thoughts?
> >> 
> >> On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:26 AM, Eric Burger wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Does it need to be in local language? Does it need to always be readable? Does it need to be interpreted by a human? Does it need to be interpreted by a machine?
> >>> 
> >>> I would offer the answers are "No, No, Probably, Never", which means the comment should be opaque, 7-bit ASCII text.
> >>> 
> >>> Anyone think otherwise?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 5:34 AM, RahulSrivastava 71616 wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Mostly this is required for writing logs and debugging.
> >>>> Required for checking call failures and proving to somebody why it failed after days of usgae :-)
> >>>> 
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Rahul
> >>>> 
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> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Eric Burger <eburger@standardstrack.com>
> >>>> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:42 am
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MEDIACTRL] draft-ietf-mediactrl-mixer-control-package-11 error	in examples in section 4.2.3
> >>>> To: mediactrl@ietf.org
> >>>> 
> >>>>> More fundamental question: Why do we have reason text at all?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> One of the DISCUSSes from the ADs is that if we have human-
> >>>>> readable text, it has to have a language indicator.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> If the Reason Comment is not human readable, then we do not need it.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What would be the opinion of the WG to drop reason / comment text 
> >>>>> everywhere? Or, to keep with HTTP, to have fixed reason strings? 
> >>>>> Or, to keep with XML, we just say that the string gets interpreted 
> >>>>> in whatever locale the XML gets interpreted?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:29 AM, McGlashan, Scott wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> thanks - I'll fix them.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 19:04, Stéphane Bastien wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> In draft-ietf-mediactrl-mixer-control-package-11, there are 
> >>>>> errors in the examples in section 4.2.3 <response>.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> The examples are:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> <response code="200">
> >>>>>> <reason>Success</reason>
> >>>>>> </response>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> <response code="403">
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> <reason>Conf already exists</reason>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> </response>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> But I believe they should show:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> <response status="200" reason="conference created" />
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> <response status="405" reason="Conference already exists" />
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Stéphane
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> <ATT00001..txt>
> >>>>>> 
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