Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 11 November 2014 04:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem
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Margaret Wasserman <margaretw42@gmail.com> wrote: > Let me see if I can start a technical discussion here... > If you have an ISP today that has two different access networks > available, such as one 3GPP network and one DSL network, how do(es) the > gateway box(es) (connected to both networks) decide where it should > send each packet it receives? I think there are several possible cases > here; These scenarios are all in the homenet architecture document, btw. Can you tell me if this is IPv4+NAPT or IPv6? (The IPv4 case without NAPT is mostly the same as IPv6) > (1.2) Hosts behind the gateway have only one address each. This has > two sub-cases: > (1.2.1) The gateway has separate addresses on the two networks, and > does some sort of translation from internal to external addresses in > the prefix of the "right" outgoing link. NAPT. > (1.2.2) The gateway has only one IP address that is somehow shared > across the two links. MPPE or equivalent. Can you tell me if in your scenarios, the operator of the two access networks is the same? > (2) There are two gateways, each attached to a single outbound network. > In this case, hosts will always have separate addresses for the two > networks, and will need to make a decision about which outbound network > to use. As you say, this is a kind of MIF with multi-provisioning domains, and if the host can decide the right choice of source address, the rest is "solved" by homenet already. > Cases 1.1 and 2 are essentially the same from a host standpoint, in > that the host needs to make a network choice. This is a problem we > have discussed in MIF -- What sort of information does/should the host > need to make that choice, and how is that information communicated to > the host? Yes, I agree. > Case 1.2.1 is a typical case of how NAT (or NPTv6) can be used for > multi-homing. The IETF generally prefers to avoid recommending > solutions that use NAT, but do we have a better answer? > Case 1.2.2 becomes a layer 2 problem and is probably outside the scope > of the IETF. > Are there cases that I am missing here? I am trying to think whether embedding a second layer of the problem in the scenario changes anything significantly. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [
- [mif] Fwd: New Liaison Statement, "Broadband Foru… Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Fwd: New Liaison Statement, "Broadband … Michael Richardson
- [mif] =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_[homenet]_Fwd:_New_Lia… Xueli
- [mif] =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_[homenet]_Fwd:_New_Lia… pierrick.seite
- Re: [mif] =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_[homenet]_Fwd:_New… Hui Deng
- [mif] =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_[DMM]_RE:_[homenet]_Fw… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] “Hybrid Access for Broadband Networks” … Alexandru Petrescu
- [mif] =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_[homenet]_Fwd:_New_Lia… Xueli
- [mif] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_[DMM]_RE:_[homenet]_Fwd:… Xueli
- Re: [mif] “Hybrid Access for Broadband Networks” … Xueli
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Hui Deng
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… pierrick.seite
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Hui Deng
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Xueli
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Hui Deng
- Re: [mif] “Hybrid Access for Broadband Networks” … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Xueli
- Re: [mif] [DMM] RE: [homenet] Fwd: New Liaison St… Xueli
- [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Hui Deng
- Re: [mif] =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_[homenet]_Fwd:_New… Alper Yegin
- Re: [mif] =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_[homenet]_Fwd:_New… Xueli
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Hui Deng
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Alper Yegin
- [mif] 答复: Follow up with BBF proposal Xueli
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Alper Yegin
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Hui Deng
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Alper Yegin
- [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Michael Richardson
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Erik Kline
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Hui Deng
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Michael Richardson
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Ted Lemon
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [mif] Follow up with BBF proposal pierrick.seite
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem pierrick.seite
- Re: [mif] Hybrid Access Problem Behcet Sarikaya