Re: [MLS] MLS: the WG name should include "group"

jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com Tue, 27 March 2018 23:02 UTC

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To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>
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Subject: Re: [MLS] MLS: the WG name should include "group"
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+1

Quoting Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>et>:
> On Sun 2018-03-25 21:33:42 +0200, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>> I do not believe the name should be changed:
>>
>> 1. MLS is a protocol that is equally suited for pairwise messaging  
>> as it is for group messaging
>> 2. The MLS name is elegant and mirrors TLS.
>
> "Mirroring TLS" is exactly what i'm afraid of.  This is a radically
> different protocol, performing demonstrably different work at a
> different position within the stack, with a different view on what
> interoperability even means.
>
> Let's make it very clear that this *is not* TLS, and that it is not a
> substitute for TLS.
>
> The protocol described in the documents is *not* equally-suited for
> pairwise messaging -- it has a number of subtle features that are
> included solely because it is intended to handle group messaging.  As
> other people have written upthread, the protocol this nascent WG aims to
> describe will handle pairwise messaging as a special case of group
> messaging.  It is not designed intentionally for pairwise messaging and
> if it were, it would have a different design.
>
>           --dkg