Re: [MLS] AEAD data in messages

Peter Slatala <psla+mls@google.com> Tue, 13 August 2019 14:20 UTC

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From: Peter Slatala <psla+mls@google.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 07:19:50 -0700
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Subject: Re: [MLS] AEAD data in messages
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:24 PM Jeff Burdges <burdges@gnunet.org>; wrote:

>
>
> > On 13 Aug 2019, at 01:15, Peter Slatala <psla=2Bmls=
> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; wrote:
> > I was wondering if you considered allowing additional plaintext but
> authenticated data in MLS messages.
>
> It’d be outside the header encryption, making the AEAD would be the header
> encryption?
>
> How would the delivery service authenticate it?

 Delivery service is often TLS encrypted so client-server connection should
be secure.


> > Here are some use-cases for MLS that I can think of:
> > * sending a 'sending device identifier' in case if delivery service
> can't differentiate different user devices from each other.
>
> I’d hope the delivery service does not care too much to which device it
> communicates.
>
> > * sending 'message type' that server can act upon. For example, delivery
> report sent by the recipient to the sender, which also acts as an ACK to
> the server that the message was persisted.
>
> > * authenticating message id (but make it visible to server to avoid
> redelivery),
>
> ACKs and message ids should often be done fully encrypted, but yeah making
> one ACK or message id notify both the delivery service and the end user
> makes sense in some use cases.
>
> Jeff
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