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Re: [MLS] Contribute as OTRv4 to MLS

nalini elkins <nalini.elkins@e-dco.com> Fri, 09 November 2018 02:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [MLS] Contribute as OTRv4 to MLS
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 > If deniability is something that's important to you, it would be helpful
to think about how you could fit it in as an optional feature.

Just to comment, there is a potential human rights issue (right to life)
with deniability.   Although extremely beneficial in a number of
circumstances, it is my understanding that deniability can also be used by
people such as terrorists to fight lawful subpoenas.

I wonder if that is of interest to this group.   Please correct me if my
understanding is wrong.  I very much wish to be wrong.

Nalini

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:

> Fantastic, glad to have you guys here.  One productive way to get involved
> would be to read the draft protocol document [1] and send email to this
> mailing list with your thoughts.
>
> For the most part, there shouldn't be anything too surprising here.  It's
> just standard DH ratchet + hash ratchet, but with the DH arranged in a
> tree.  The one thing that might be surprising to you is that we do not
> account for deniability at all in the current draft.  If deniability is
> something that's important to you, it would be helpful to think about how
> you could fit it in as an optional feature.
>
> Thanks,
> --Richard
>
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mls-protocol
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 11:32 PM Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That's great news!
>>
>> On 11/8/18 9:09 AM, Sofia wrote:
>> > Dear contributors to MLS,
>> >
>> > During the last IETF 103, Sofi and Jurre gave a talk about the OTRv4
>> > specification and implementation during the PEARG session
>> > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-
>> 103-pearg-otrv4-slides-01).
>> > During the Q/A we had some nice words from some of you (some people
>> said that
>> > it will be nice if the OTRv4 team could contribute with MLS) and, so,
>> we'd like
>> > to contribute to MLS and see how to work together! We have been looking
>> at some
>> > of the material of MLS shared during IETF 103 and we will like to start
>> > contributing from it!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > The OTRv4 team
>> > --
>> > Sofía Celi (aka cherenkov)
>> > @claucece / @cherenkov_d
>> > Cryptographic research and implementation at CAD:
>> https://autonomia.digital/
>> > EF74 1A5F 5692 E56F 14F6  243C 3992 6144 F89D 996F
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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