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Re: [MLS] Virtual Interim minutes

Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Thu, 13 February 2020 01:59 UTC

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MLSWG,

Draft minutes* available for the 3rd virtual interim at the link below. As before, if you find an issue please submit a PR to Github:
https://github.com/mlswg/wg-materials/blob/master/virtual-interim-recurring/02-12-2020.md

spt

* Thanks to rlb.

> On Feb 11, 2020, at 21:11, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:
> 
> MLSWG,
> 
> Revised minutes from the first virtual interim posted at the link below. If you find an issue, submit a PR to Github:
> https://github.com/mlswg/wg-materials/blob/master/virtual-interim-recurring/01-29-2020.md
> In one week, I will post the final minutes to the IETF site.
> 
> Draft minutes for the second virtual interim posted at the link below. If you find an issue, submit a PR to Github:
> https://github.com/mlswg/wg-materials/blob/master/virtual-interim-recurring/02-05-2020.md
> 
> spt
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 16:38, Nick Sullivan <nick=40cloudflare.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>> 
>> MLSWG,
>> 
>> Draft minutes from the productive first virtual interim posted below. If you find an issue, submit a PR to Github:
>> https://github.com/mlswg/wg-materials/blob/master/virtual-interim-recurring/01-29-2020.md
>> 
>> Nick & Sean
>> 
>>>>> 
>> Attendees:
>> Joel Alwen, Richard Barnes, Raphael Robert, Britta Hale, Brendan McMillion, Nick Sullivan
>> 
>> #247 - Welcome confirmation and key derivation
>> * Fixes bugs RLB found in the last draft while implementing
>> * OK to merge after rebase / conflict resolution
>> 
>> #246 - Bugfixes in ClientInitKey, Commit, and Welcome
>> * Derives the Welcome encryption key instead of generating fresh
>> * ... under the general theory about not requiring freshness when not necessary
>> * OK to merge after rebase / conflict resolution
>> 
>> #283 - Use the same ratchet for Handshake and Application keys
>> * There's no point to FS for Proposals because clients have to cache the plaintext anyway
>> * Given that, the "flat derivation" approach should be fine
>> * We should have separate keys per sender to it easier to avoid nonce collisions
>> * RLB and RR to decide whether we should derive nonces on a hash ratchet or just use a counter
>> 
>> #287 - Switch to signing strategy using one signature per leaf.
>> * There was agreement among those on the call to proceed with this strategy (tree-hash-covers-parent-hash)
>> * ... given the deniability concerns and unclear benefit of the alternative (parent-hash-covers-tree-hash)
>> * If further considerations come to light from analysis, we can revisit later
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