[MLS] -02 DMLS Draft
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All, An update for the DMLS -02 version draft is available (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-xue-distributed-mls-02) This incorporates all the feedback received since presentation at IETF-122. As a reminder, this draft covers distributed MLS, where each member has control of messages sent, ordering of commits, and PCS frequency in their own sub-group, thereby avoiding commit collisions altogether, specifically aiming for the decentralized use case. There are two active implementations of this as well since IETF-122. We would like to have a call for adoption on the draft and of course welcome any further inputs. Britta
- [MLS] -02 DMLS Draft Hale, Britta (CIV)
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Alwen, Joel
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Mark Xue
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Mularczyk, Marta
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Hale, Britta (CIV)
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Alwen, Joel
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Hale, Britta (CIV)
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Alwen, Joel
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Mark Xue
- [MLS] Re: -02 DMLS Draft Alwen, Joel