Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns

[Lawson English <[e-mail]>]

Charles Krinke wrote:
> Yes, Infinity, I was merely using that as an example.
>
> I have the greatest of respect for both you and JHurliman and hope 
> that "whatever" evolves is something both of you can support. I am 
> trying to pick my words very carefully as I dont want to paint you or 
> JHurliman into any corner.
>
> But, in any case, as long as interop between virtual worlds is 
> symmetrical, then I can support the notions are they are evolving. 
> Symmetrical in this case meaning that there is *not* an overwhelming, 
> global, metaversal server somewhere that *everyone* needs an account 
> on in order to accomplish interop.
>
> Charles Krinke
> OpenSim Core Developer
> OSGrid Director
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity) 
> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>     Charles... i _think_ we're in radical agreement. Some might read
>     that first sentence as meaning, "you're not fully interoperable
>     unless you can teleport from second life to wonderland to world of
>     warcraft to every other virtual world in existence." But the
>     second sentence seems to imply you're really just talking about
>     "second life-like" systems. If you mean the former... ouch...
>     that's going to be difficult (though i'm sure JW would disagree.)
>     If the latter, then yes, you're right... we're not fully
>     interoperable (in the OGP sense) until you can teleport from a
>     linden controlled server to a OSgrid controlled? federated?
>     server, and then turn around and go back the other way.
>
>     On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Charles Krinke wrote:
>
>>     To me, interop implies a full handoff of an avatar from one
>>     virtual world to another.
>>
>>     I can appreciate OGP offering one half of this in its current
>>     form in a teleport from a SecondLife type grid to an OpenSim type
>>     grid. But, we also need to consider how a citizen of an OpenSim
>>     grid can teleport to a SecondLife grid as well.
>>
>>     In the case of OpenSim grids, we have a UserServer as opposed to
>>     an AgentDomain, but they offer a similar set of services.
>>
>>     So, from the MMOX viewpoint, we could perhaps get there from here
>>     if we were to consider the fact that each side of this teleport
>>     needs to be treated in an equal and sovereign manner.
>>
>>     To me, interop between grids is more of a "border crossing &
>>     customs" paradigm. That is, each grid may have its own border
>>     crossing rules for exit and its own customs rules for entry and
>>     each is sovereign in its own right. That is, there is no
>>     overwhelming AgentDomain that controls all teleports between all
>>     grids, but rather an AgentDomain is a paradigm for one particular
>>     grid, or in the SecondLife case, for a few SecondLife grids all
>>     under the control of one corporate personality.
>

I had always assumed that agent domains were trusted to a certain extent 
by all grids/regions that allow their avies  in but the converse was not 
true.

This would be analogous to the border guard granting a temp/tourist visa 
to the "non-authorized by recognized Agent Domain avies," while 
providing a more formal passport to those that are.

Euro-pass vs work-visa vs passport vs citizenship papers or somesuch.


Lawson