Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns
Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> Wed, 01 April 2009 22:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Hurliman, John <john.hurliman@intel.com>wrote: A few days ago I posted an e-mail highlighting my concerns with the > architecture of OGP. I'm not sure if there was an implicit agreement from > the OGP authors or if the e-mail was lost in the flood. I'm reposting in a > new thread because I want to make sure I have a proper understanding of the > architecture. > > John, I don't think that it indicates implicit agreement nor that your post was lost in the flood. It's more a reflection of the fact that we've not had a single comment from OGP designers at all here since the BoF, on *any*topic. :-) I'm not sure where they've got to, but they're not engaging in technical discussions with the list at this time. You haven't missed any responses, afaik. ;-) Morgaine. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Hurliman, John <john.hurliman@intel.com>wrote: > A few days ago I posted an e-mail highlighting my concerns with the > architecture of OGP. I'm not sure if there was an implicit agreement from > the OGP authors or if the e-mail was lost in the flood. I'm reposting in a > new thread because I want to make sure I have a proper understanding of the > architecture. > > > >* Indirectly, it highlights that the Agent Domain model does not > >have a solution to the problem of accessing worlds with which there is > >no trust agreement. People will want to enter arbitrary worlds, and > >therefore that restriction is inadequate. > >* There will be millions of worlds in an Internet-scale metaverse, > >which makes the concept of interop through trust agreements far too > >narrow. Trust loses its meaning entirely when scaled to millions, > >becoming mere paperwork or "security theater". > > This is, in my opinion, the fundamental flaw in OGP. Explicit trust maps > (whitelists) work great when IBM wants to define policy to connect to the > Linden Lab grid, but has no meaning and no hope of scaling when you talk > about defining trust for millions of simulation grids and millions (or at > least thousands) of identity providers. This is the primary reason that > Intel and many members of the OpenSimulator/OpenMetaverse community have not > considered OGP as a strong proposal for virtual world interoperability. If > this understanding is not accurate, it would be helpful if an OGP author > could step in and clear up the confusion. > > John > _______________________________________________ > mmox mailing list > mmox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmox >
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Lawson English
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jason Giglio
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Rob Lanphier
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz