Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns
Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> Thu, 02 April 2009 05:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns
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As I see it, a good part of the reason for the tangle surrounding the word "interop" seems to be that people are focusing on the *mechanisms* that they believe it requires, and these mechanisms are often architecture-dependent so there isn't much immediate agreement. In contrast, if we look at *user expectations* then the situation becomes much simpler and clearer. Users already know what a single virtual world looks like, and they also know what it means to move or teleport between different regions of that single world. So, when they hear that other worlds are out there and that we are offering *interop* between old worlds and new, they know exactly what to expect: *the same as before, but extended to regions in the new worlds as well*. For our purposes in this protocol group, the above user expectation is actually very easy to turn into a definition that has useful structural properties, which I've stated before. Full VW interop is, in essence: *To create a mashup for the user, in which the user's avatar and objects from one world are perceived to be in a new world, and are also perceived by others in that new world. * Despite this interop goal being expressed in pure user terms, it's remarkably structural too: it tells us immediately that for successful interop, we need to gather together data from many different sources (either worlds or services employed by those worlds), otherwise that mashup will not occur and user expectations will be dashed. I think it's a good sign that everyone who has commented on this user view of interop before has agreed with it --- it probably means that we actually have the same goal in mind, but just seem to be approaching it from different angles. Lisa also provided a persona-oriented use case<http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmox/current/msg01275.html>that underlined the social dimension of interop, and added one important element to the picture: *continuity* in social elements, such as names, friends, places, and easy travel or access, as well as visual (or at least perceptual) continuity. The more seamless we can make the user experience of interop, the higher will be our degree of success. I think we actually know what *interop* is, from a user perspective. If we start from there, it might help us to converge on a common technical view as well. Morgaine.
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Lawson English
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jason Giglio
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Rob Lanphier
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Meadhbh Hamrick (Infinity)
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Morgaine
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Charles Krinke
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Jon Watte
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Hurliman, John
- Re: [mmox] OGP scalability concerns Christian Scholz